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Old 05-03-2004, 10:18 PM   #4861
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hey guys tell me how the motor works on the track aginst like those monster motors
It is a Monster Teardown isn't it?!?!?!?!?!?! So lets hear about them????

Anything especially different than other motor tuners?

Assuming motor is trued, bushings reamed, brushes aligned, magnets rezapped and broken in.

Anything special about teh brushes? High Silver contect etc etc.


SOMEBODY SELL ME ON THIS YET ANOTHER MONSTER TEARDOWN?!?!?!?!


(I must say nice price though)
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Old 05-03-2004, 10:23 PM   #4862
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Old 05-03-2004, 11:19 PM   #4863
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Default Battery testing?

I am somewaht new to RC Car racing so please bear with me.


Is there an easy inexpensive way of testing 3000-3300 battery packs. With say a voltmeter or with some kind of load.

Is there a simple objective test I can run with my car and a stop watch?

I am leery of subjective tests or claims of reduced laptimes when other factors could be at play.

Does anybody actually do double blind tests of any RC speed claims for batterys, tires, motors, ESC?

If so have you seen published results of these tests,anywhere?
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Old 05-03-2004, 11:37 PM   #4864
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I am somewaht new to RC Car racing so please bear with me.


Is there an easy inexpensive way of testing 3000-3300 battery packs. With say a voltmeter or with some kind of load.

Is there a simple objective test I can run with my car and a stop watch?

I am leery of subjective tests or claims of reduced laptimes when other factors could be at play.

Does anybody actually do double blind tests of any RC speed claims for batterys, tires, motors, ESC?

If so have you seen published results of these tests,anywhere?
Easiest way to test is throw it in a car and on a track

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Discharge @ 30A on a decent cahrger
(Turbo/CDC/CDR etc) that will give you Avergae Voltage readings. Take readings of Voltage @ 15sec intervals.

Now this is about as close as you can get to race conditions. Compare your number agaist the sticker and there you go!!!!`
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Old 05-03-2004, 11:41 PM   #4865
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I am somewaht new to RC Car racing so please bear with me.


Is there an easy inexpensive way of testing 3000-3300 battery packs. With say a voltmeter or with some kind of load.

Is there a simple objective test I can run with my car and a stop watch?

I am leery of subjective tests or claims of reduced laptimes when other factors could be at play.

Does anybody actually do double blind tests of any RC speed claims for batterys, tires, motors, ESC?

If so have you seen published results of these tests,anywhere?
If you have a charger with a built in discharge function you can try discharging it and check the discharged capacity of the battery. Some chargers have this built in discharge facility that let you view the average voltage and capacity of the battery as well as the time taken to discharge. However you cannot really compare these readings to the labels on the batteries as they are measured using different equipment.

Trying to compare batteries, motors and escs is really pointless as there are too many variables to consider. Just stick with reputable brands and you should be safe.

If you are new to the hobby pay attention to the equipment that some of the more experienced guys are using at your club and by all means ask for advice. Most will not hesistate in helping you out.
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I am somewaht new to RC Car racing so please bear with me.


Is there an easy inexpensive way of testing 3000-3300 battery packs. With say a voltmeter or with some kind of load.

Is there a simple objective test I can run with my car and a stop watch?

I am leery of subjective tests or claims of reduced laptimes when other factors could be at play.

Does anybody actually do double blind tests of any RC speed claims for batterys, tires, motors, ESC?

If so have you seen published results of these tests,anywhere?
the lap time method is for advance racers that are consistant on the track

if many factors are effecting your lap time then i think the minor difference between brands of cells will not be easily detectable, nor will it be significant

if you must test the batteries you can get a friend with a stop watch to time your car for acceleration in straight line over a distance, do that a few times and take the average, then you can compare between packs and brands. there shouldn't be too much variables on the handling and driving side, just make sure the timer is consistant
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Old 05-04-2004, 12:22 AM   #4867
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It is a Monster Teardown isn't it?!?!?!?!?!?! So lets hear about them????

Anything especially different than other motor tuners?

Assuming motor is trued, bushings reamed, brushes aligned, magnets rezapped and broken in.

Anything special about teh brushes? High Silver contect etc etc.


SOMEBODY SELL ME ON THIS YET ANOTHER MONSTER TEARDOWN?!?!?!?!


(I must say nice price though)
Waiting with my amex...............
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Old 05-04-2004, 06:13 AM   #4868
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It is a Monster Teardown isn't it?!?!?!?!?!?! So lets hear about them????

Anything especially different than other motor tuners?

Assuming motor is trued, bushings reamed, brushes aligned, magnets rezapped and broken in.

Anything special about teh brushes? High Silver contect etc etc.


SOMEBODY SELL ME ON THIS YET ANOTHER MONSTER TEARDOWN?!?!?!?!


(I must say nice price though)
Kennedy - the stock motor is a monster based motor tuned by Fukuyama under the stringent standards. I know Daniel had some super Fukuyama brushes, but i'm not sure if he had enough in quantity to do up all these motors. I had some and I know Anthony Yuen had some and they're great. I'll find out what brushes are used in these motors.

These motors are tweaked for all out performance. Fukuyama Racing has some great compound for polishing the bushings making them a mirror finish so super smooth.

All motors have their comms trued and brushes broken in and than dyno tuned with a spec sheet, I believe they even come with a free spare set of brushes! Very nice packaging too (I should know, I'm a packaging engineer!!)

So much rip, I ran them at SOCAL when I visited and I was much impressed. Daniel did up a motor for me and it ripped. I can't imagine anything else than performance product with their great customer service.

Fukuyama Racing cells and Fukuyama motors! It's a great combination!

Out punch your competition!

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Fukuyama Racing cells and Fukuyama motors! It's a great combination!

Out punch your competition!

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Old 05-04-2004, 10:42 AM   #4870
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I'm hoping the Canadian dealer will get a couple of these. As much as I like using your products, the duty, taxes and brokerage fees ordering from the US are just way too much.
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Old 05-04-2004, 11:02 AM   #4871
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. We are currently out of decals but our overseas distributor (Anthony) is helping with the sourcing as we speak.
I ordered some cells (5 packs) a few days ago. did i miss out on the stickers or did they just forget to put them in the package? i'm the dude that had some weird things happen to the packs during delivery. ( i spoke to anthony via email)

i eventually got the packs but out of the delivery packaging.
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I ordered some cells (5 packs) a few days ago. did i miss out on the stickers or did they just forget to put them in the package? i'm the dude that had some weird things happen to the packs during delivery. ( i spoke to anthony via email)

i eventually got the packs but out of the delivery packaging.
A few pages back Dan mentioned that they are out of stickers at the moment...
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Old 05-04-2004, 04:24 PM   #4873
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Hi Guys

I have 3 questions:

How much do numbers really matter - e.g. what is the difference between 1.16, 1.17 etc on the track, particularly when racing 19t?

Leading on to my second question, how would say a 1.15 pack charged at 8amps compare with a 1.17 pack at 6amps?

And the final question, how much does matching really matter?

What made me think was a friend (who knows quite a lot about cells) recommended, as an alternative to buying top number cells, buying unmatched cells wholesale and then running them unmatched and charged at high amps until they die.

Thanks!
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It really depends on your skill level on the track. I'd say most drivers aren't going to notice a massive difference between a .16 and a 1.17. They will have more power. That said, there is a noticable difference if you have the skills to use the extra power. Your friend has a good idea about buying unmatched cells. Fukuyama offers a Power Cube. It's 18 cells (3 packs) and goes for $88.00. That's about $29 per pack. These cells don't have numbers on the labels but most of the cells are in the 1.14-1.16 range as far as I know. The difference between this and buying bulk raw cells is these cells have been run through the CET system to enhance the voltage. Raw cells have not been "zapped" or voltage enhanced at all. The power cube is great for the sportsman racer and even the serious racer for cheap practice packs.

As far as the difference between a 1.15 charged @ 8 amps compared to a 1.17 charged at 6 amps, I personally have never tested this, but I'd imagine you'd get similar speed for the first couple minutes, but the 1.15's are going to have a lot less run time being charged at such a high rate so they may fall off sooner and get soft before the end of the race. Where the 1.17's will probably sustain the higher power longer and finish the race stronger.
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Old 05-04-2004, 04:55 PM   #4875
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Great thanks. I'm racing in the UK at National level 19 turn so I'm keen to get some good cells. I'm not sponsored, hence my questioning. I guess I'm just working out whether its better to splash out on the top cells (despite knowing that the team drivers will have even better ones) or spending less on slightly lower numbers, but knowing that they won't last as long if I charge them at higher amps to compensate?? In 19t I don't get even close to dumping so will the slightly lower number packs drop off be that significant?
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