The Ninja Showdown (TNS) Mini Affair (2) 28th Nov 2007
11-26-2007, 05:12 AM
#16
so... i think i am getting it....
I also wonder how they grid the people in Reedy.
But for our TNS, we can do this.
No need for grid positioning, regardless of participants, we just take the overall heat results. Meaning, if we have 18 people, we just split the group equally, 9/grp. We shall then combine the results of these 2 groups. Whoever that finished 1st overall shall be crowned the winner for Heat 1 and so forth for Heat 2, 3, 4 and 5.
Eg.
Heat 1
Group 1
1. Zaki 18 laps 5:09.165
2. Wilfred 18 laps 5:10.095
3. Luvin 17 laps 5:12.003
....
Group 2
1. Alana07 18 laps 5:09.095
2. Alfie 18 laps 5:10.000
3. Alonso 17 laps 5:11.935
...
Heat 1 Overall
1. Alana07 18 laps 5:09.095 (10pts)
2. Zaki 18 laps 5:09.165 (9pts)
3. Alfie 18 laps 5:10.000 (8pts)
4. Wilfred 18 laps 5:10.095 (7pts)
5. Alonso 17 laps 5:11.935 (6pts)
6. Luvin 17 laps 5:12.003 (5pts)
...
About the no restrictions, i am for that. As I believe when the TNS was created it was with the motto that anyone can race with anything. As long it is the same type of chassis.
However, for this class, we may want to control the motor limit.
Else, it may be ZERO chance for a silver can to hunt down a 23T or a brushless 10.5. The silver can guys will just be demoralised seeing these cars zooming pass them on the long straight after the hardwork overtaking them in the in-field.
Though we want to promote anything goes, but the powerhouse of the car got to put a cap to it. My humble opinion.
But for our TNS, we can do this.
No need for grid positioning, regardless of participants, we just take the overall heat results. Meaning, if we have 18 people, we just split the group equally, 9/grp. We shall then combine the results of these 2 groups. Whoever that finished 1st overall shall be crowned the winner for Heat 1 and so forth for Heat 2, 3, 4 and 5.
Eg.
Heat 1
Group 1
1. Zaki 18 laps 5:09.165
2. Wilfred 18 laps 5:10.095
3. Luvin 17 laps 5:12.003
....
Group 2
1. Alana07 18 laps 5:09.095
2. Alfie 18 laps 5:10.000
3. Alonso 17 laps 5:11.935
...
Heat 1 Overall
1. Alana07 18 laps 5:09.095 (10pts)
2. Zaki 18 laps 5:09.165 (9pts)
3. Alfie 18 laps 5:10.000 (8pts)
4. Wilfred 18 laps 5:10.095 (7pts)
5. Alonso 17 laps 5:11.935 (6pts)
6. Luvin 17 laps 5:12.003 (5pts)
...
About the no restrictions, i am for that. As I believe when the TNS was created it was with the motto that anyone can race with anything. As long it is the same type of chassis.
However, for this class, we may want to control the motor limit.
Else, it may be ZERO chance for a silver can to hunt down a 23T or a brushless 10.5. The silver can guys will just be demoralised seeing these cars zooming pass them on the long straight after the hardwork overtaking them in the in-field.
Though we want to promote anything goes, but the powerhouse of the car got to put a cap to it. My humble opinion.
so what you are saying is, just run an event with 5 "heats"? is that it?
the participants are driving against their own time, so no grid is required?
well, that could work. 5 heats will take about 50 mins to complete (if everyone gets to the stand on time... we could actually run 10 heats!
would be fun!
-alexander
11-26-2007, 05:56 AM
#17
Very interesting way to count ranking...!
I wonder how long it would take if we have 2 groups of people...Lolz...
I wonder how long it would take if we have 2 groups of people...Lolz...
11-26-2007, 07:50 PM
#18
ok, hold on... you are on to something here
so what you are saying is, just run an event with 5 "heats"? is that it?
the participants are driving against their own time, so no grid is required?
well, that could work. 5 heats will take about 50 mins to complete (if everyone gets to the stand on time... we could actually run 10 heats!
would be fun!
-alexander
so what you are saying is, just run an event with 5 "heats"? is that it?
the participants are driving against their own time, so no grid is required?
well, that could work. 5 heats will take about 50 mins to complete (if everyone gets to the stand on time... we could actually run 10 heats!
would be fun!
-alexander
As for running against their own time?? Not so much of that.
As long as cars are on the same lap, the guy in front have all the right to block off the guy behind.
Next question may be, if it is a staggered start, the guy who starts first may have an advantage.
To eliminate this, we MAY do this;
1a) Have all cars line side-by-side at the starting of the long straight. OR
1b) We may put them JUST ONE car length behind another.
2) Have a simulataneous start.
3) If 1(b) is chosen, we need to randomized (is there such a word) who should be in front for every heat.
4) If 2 or more groups, we need to mix the grouping as well in between heats.
11-26-2007, 09:32 PM
#19
Here's another approach which we can try....
Have a qualifying session, just like in F1, sorry as you can see I am an avid Formula 1 fan!
QUALIFYING SESSION
1) Each driver will be distributed with transponder
2) Have a 20 mins qualifying session per group
3) Driver with the fastest lap will be on pole for that group
4) In this session, drivers can be up and down the stand as many times as they like - to change tyres, batteries, body shells, cars?! etc..
5) Obviously one cannot cheat by swapping transponder
6) Race official have to constantly update drivers on the standings (unless we have a massive electronic display board like in Yatabe Arena)
RACE
1) Drivers in their respective group will start based on their qualifying position.
2) Finals will be of 5 heats based on the points system which was mentioned earlier.
Just a though..
Have a qualifying session, just like in F1, sorry as you can see I am an avid Formula 1 fan!
QUALIFYING SESSION
1) Each driver will be distributed with transponder
2) Have a 20 mins qualifying session per group
3) Driver with the fastest lap will be on pole for that group
4) In this session, drivers can be up and down the stand as many times as they like - to change tyres, batteries, body shells, cars?! etc..
5) Obviously one cannot cheat by swapping transponder
6) Race official have to constantly update drivers on the standings (unless we have a massive electronic display board like in Yatabe Arena)
RACE
1) Drivers in their respective group will start based on their qualifying position.
2) Finals will be of 5 heats based on the points system which was mentioned earlier.
Just a though..
11-26-2007, 09:37 PM
#20
okies, sounds fine to me.
I also wonder how they grid the people in Reedy.
But for our TNS, we can do this.
No need for grid positioning, regardless of participants, we just take the overall heat results. Meaning, if we have 18 people, we just split the group equally, 9/grp. We shall then combine the results of these 2 groups. Whoever that finished 1st overall shall be crowned the winner for Heat 1 and so forth for Heat 2, 3, 4 and 5.
Eg.
Heat 1
Group 1
1. Zaki 18 laps 5:09.165
2. Wilfred 18 laps 5:10.095
3. Luvin 17 laps 5:12.003
....
Group 2
1. Alana07 18 laps 5:09.095
2. Alfie 18 laps 5:10.000
3. Alonso 17 laps 5:11.935
...
Heat 1 Overall
1. Alana07 18 laps 5:09.095 (10pts)
2. Zaki 18 laps 5:09.165 (9pts)
3. Alfie 18 laps 5:10.000 (8pts)
4. Wilfred 18 laps 5:10.095 (7pts)
5. Alonso 17 laps 5:11.935 (6pts)
6. Luvin 17 laps 5:12.003 (5pts)
...
About the no restrictions, i am for that. As I believe when the TNS was created it was with the motto that anyone can race with anything. As long it is the same type of chassis.
However, for this class, we may want to control the motor limit.
Else, it may be ZERO chance for a silver can to hunt down a 23T or a brushless 10.5. The silver can guys will just be demoralised seeing these cars zooming pass them on the long straight after the hardwork overtaking them in the in-field.
Though we want to promote anything goes, but the powerhouse of the car got to put a cap to it. My humble opinion.
But for our TNS, we can do this.
No need for grid positioning, regardless of participants, we just take the overall heat results. Meaning, if we have 18 people, we just split the group equally, 9/grp. We shall then combine the results of these 2 groups. Whoever that finished 1st overall shall be crowned the winner for Heat 1 and so forth for Heat 2, 3, 4 and 5.
Eg.
Heat 1
Group 1
1. Zaki 18 laps 5:09.165
2. Wilfred 18 laps 5:10.095
3. Luvin 17 laps 5:12.003
....
Group 2
1. Alana07 18 laps 5:09.095
2. Alfie 18 laps 5:10.000
3. Alonso 17 laps 5:11.935
...
Heat 1 Overall
1. Alana07 18 laps 5:09.095 (10pts)
2. Zaki 18 laps 5:09.165 (9pts)
3. Alfie 18 laps 5:10.000 (8pts)
4. Wilfred 18 laps 5:10.095 (7pts)
5. Alonso 17 laps 5:11.935 (6pts)
6. Luvin 17 laps 5:12.003 (5pts)
...
About the no restrictions, i am for that. As I believe when the TNS was created it was with the motto that anyone can race with anything. As long it is the same type of chassis.
However, for this class, we may want to control the motor limit.
Else, it may be ZERO chance for a silver can to hunt down a 23T or a brushless 10.5. The silver can guys will just be demoralised seeing these cars zooming pass them on the long straight after the hardwork overtaking them in the in-field.
Though we want to promote anything goes, but the powerhouse of the car got to put a cap to it. My humble opinion.
start signing up already, i need to key in stuff and stuff
remember, if you gonna be late, just sms me at 90038426
cheerio!
-alexander
11-26-2007, 10:56 PM
#21
I'm setting up the shocks for the Mini.
Anyone knows wat is the rating (900 etc) of the damper oil(clear) that comes with the Super mini CVA shocks?
Anyone knows wat is the rating (900 etc) of the damper oil(clear) that comes with the Super mini CVA shocks?
11-26-2007, 11:36 PM
#22
Tech Regular
similar to 90wt.....
the oil that came with the super mini cva shock kit works fine. just use it.
BUT if you are going to use any TRF shocks for your mini, 900 will be too heavy.
the oil that came with the super mini cva shock kit works fine. just use it.
BUT if you are going to use any TRF shocks for your mini, 900 will be too heavy.
11-27-2007, 12:31 AM
#23
okies, guys,you have to sign-up...
hiya chaps!
i know i said i'll run it every wednesday, but you guys have to sign up here or i won't know if peeps are coming or not. if no one has signed up, i won't run the race, okies?
TNS MINI Affair (2) will happen on Nov 28th (Wed) at 730pm.
$10 includes dinner (ta-pau).
(Alex suggests that drivers come prepared for wet weather, ie, waterproof and splashproof your cars beforehand so that the race wont get held back due to less-than-desirable weather conditions.)
HERE you go:
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c'mon down and play!
Shawn, i tried BK's team powers 36Rs, wow, they grip well, but i needed to lower the ground clearance to bare minimum (i think 2-3mm) just so the car will not traction roll.
chinchin!
-alexander
p.s. if you think you're gonna be late, but still wanna play, just sign up but add a note of when abouts you'll arrive.
thanks!
-alexander
i know i said i'll run it every wednesday, but you guys have to sign up here or i won't know if peeps are coming or not. if no one has signed up, i won't run the race, okies?
TNS MINI Affair (2) will happen on Nov 28th (Wed) at 730pm.
$10 includes dinner (ta-pau).
(Alex suggests that drivers come prepared for wet weather, ie, waterproof and splashproof your cars beforehand so that the race wont get held back due to less-than-desirable weather conditions.)
HERE you go:
1.
2.
3.
4.
5.
6.
7.
8.
9.
10.
c'mon down and play!
Shawn, i tried BK's team powers 36Rs, wow, they grip well, but i needed to lower the ground clearance to bare minimum (i think 2-3mm) just so the car will not traction roll.
chinchin!
-alexander
p.s. if you think you're gonna be late, but still wanna play, just sign up but add a note of when abouts you'll arrive.
thanks!
-alexander
11-27-2007, 03:23 AM
#24
TNS MINI Affair (2) will happen on Nov 28th (Wed) at 730pm.
$10 includes dinner (ta-pau).
(Alex suggests that drivers come prepared for wet weather, ie, waterproof and splashproof your cars beforehand so that the race wont get held back due to less-than-desirable weather conditions.)
HERE you go:
1. Lip Keong / loaned MO4 from FP / Spektrum
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$10 includes dinner (ta-pau).
(Alex suggests that drivers come prepared for wet weather, ie, waterproof and splashproof your cars beforehand so that the race wont get held back due to less-than-desirable weather conditions.)
HERE you go:
1. Lip Keong / loaned MO4 from FP / Spektrum
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11-27-2007, 05:41 AM
#25
hhmm... well, the thing is, the 4wd minis cannot possibly chase the 2wd minis with sport tunes or silvercans.
though this sounds strange as it is, it is very true, anyone who owns a 4wd mini will attest to it.
well, let's just put it as: in the spirit of fun! please gear/motor your minis as close to tamiya's m03/m04 standard. just so these people will not feel overly left out in the race.
at the same time, m03/m04 drivers, please understand that you WILL leave the 4wd minis behind if they are forced to use sport tunes and silvercans.
and the ninja races are about fun, racing together, having a good laugh. so don't cheese out your cars, and make sure it's of similar speeds.
there we go!
having said that... there was a time (KB) where things really were anything goes... fun being the prerequisite.
-alexander
though this sounds strange as it is, it is very true, anyone who owns a 4wd mini will attest to it.
well, let's just put it as: in the spirit of fun! please gear/motor your minis as close to tamiya's m03/m04 standard. just so these people will not feel overly left out in the race.
at the same time, m03/m04 drivers, please understand that you WILL leave the 4wd minis behind if they are forced to use sport tunes and silvercans.
and the ninja races are about fun, racing together, having a good laugh. so don't cheese out your cars, and make sure it's of similar speeds.
there we go!
having said that... there was a time (KB) where things really were anything goes... fun being the prerequisite.
-alexander
Can advice on the 3 FDR for M04? So that we can gear our mini car to be level playing field?
Thanks!
11-27-2007, 06:00 AM
#26
**Edited**
For M03:
16T: 7.25
18T: 6.44
20T: 5.8
For M04:
17T: 6.82
19T: 6.1
21T: 5.52
Courtesy of Tamiya RC manuals...
http://www.tamiya.com/english/rc/manuals.htm
For M03:
16T: 7.25
18T: 6.44
20T: 5.8
For M04:
17T: 6.82
19T: 6.1
21T: 5.52
Courtesy of Tamiya RC manuals...
http://www.tamiya.com/english/rc/manuals.htm
11-27-2007, 06:42 AM
#27
**Edited**
For M03:
16T: 7.25
18T: 6.44
20T: 5.8
For M04:
17T: 6.82
19T: 6.1
21T: 5.52
Courtesy of Tamiya RC manuals...
http://www.tamiya.com/english/rc/manuals.htm
For M03:
16T: 7.25
18T: 6.44
20T: 5.8
For M04:
17T: 6.82
19T: 6.1
21T: 5.52
Courtesy of Tamiya RC manuals...
http://www.tamiya.com/english/rc/manuals.htm
11-27-2007, 06:46 AM
#28
So can P_P & I join?
We're both running on silver cans.
In the fun class for the Rojak race, there's a fast moving truck on the loose. I felt shitty of having been past by it, so I understand how that is like. On the other hand, with a fast car against all the slow cars, it's like beating yourself in your own room.
No offence, just wanted to see if you guys would allow us to join with DDM.
Alfie
We're both running on silver cans.
In the fun class for the Rojak race, there's a fast moving truck on the loose. I felt shitty of having been past by it, so I understand how that is like. On the other hand, with a fast car against all the slow cars, it's like beating yourself in your own room.
No offence, just wanted to see if you guys would allow us to join with DDM.
Alfie
11-27-2007, 07:05 AM
#29
huh?
So can P_P & I join?
We're both running on silver cans.
In the fun class for the Rojak race, there's a fast moving truck on the loose. I felt shitty of having been past by it, so I understand how that is like. On the other hand, with a fast car against all the slow cars, it's like beating yourself in your own room.
No offence, just wanted to see if you guys would allow us to join with DDM.
Alfie
We're both running on silver cans.
In the fun class for the Rojak race, there's a fast moving truck on the loose. I felt shitty of having been past by it, so I understand how that is like. On the other hand, with a fast car against all the slow cars, it's like beating yourself in your own room.
No offence, just wanted to see if you guys would allow us to join with DDM.
Alfie
In the interest of fun, and unregulated racing (for fun!) please join already!
as long as it's a mini, you may join. i'd like to say, put a sport tune on everyone's car, but i think at the end of the day, everyone appreciates diversity. and gawd knows how cloistered our hobby has been.
just be sure to prepare your car for wetness, we just may have to relive last weeks fun.
cheerio!
-alexander
11-27-2007, 07:12 AM
#30
sigh...
okies, apparently, i've been asked to sign peeps up too...
TNS MINI Affair (2) will happen on Nov 28th (Wed) at 730pm.
$10 includes dinner (ta-pau).
(Alex suggests that drivers come prepared for wet weather, ie, waterproof and splashproof your cars beforehand so that the race wont get held back due to less-than-desirable weather conditions.)
HERE you go:
1. Lip Keong / loaned MO4 from FP / Spektrum
2.Zakkie / M03/ Evil / 40.730
7.Shawn Yeo / m03/ Spektrum
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10.
TNS MINI Affair (2) will happen on Nov 28th (Wed) at 730pm.
$10 includes dinner (ta-pau).
(Alex suggests that drivers come prepared for wet weather, ie, waterproof and splashproof your cars beforehand so that the race wont get held back due to less-than-desirable weather conditions.)
HERE you go:
1. Lip Keong / loaned MO4 from FP / Spektrum
2.Zakkie / M03/ Evil / 40.730
7.Shawn Yeo / m03/ Spektrum
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