4LikesTamiya TRF417
06-13-2012, 01:15 PM
#3228
ARENA released Spring Steel Front Direct Cups for TRF417 Series
06-13-2012, 01:42 PM
#3229
Tech Regular
Are those outdrives the same length as the tamiya original plastic outdrives
so you can use the 44mm CVD INSTEAD of the 46mmCVD.
As they are the same lenght as the Roche steel outdrives you may not sell
it to me.
so you can use the 44mm CVD INSTEAD of the 46mmCVD.
As they are the same lenght as the Roche steel outdrives you may not sell
it to me.
06-13-2012, 01:45 PM
#3230
06-13-2012, 01:51 PM
#3231
06-13-2012, 02:07 PM
#3232
What Scale are carpet track racers?
06-13-2012, 02:16 PM
#3234
190mm bodied 1/10. Im running 17.5 boosted.
I was running a TA06 but the car has too much rear traction, so much that I cant remove all of it. 2.5* rear camber, 3.5* toe, stiffest springs i can find and it was still unmanagable. Its like the car was MADE for drifting or concrete tracks....
I was running a TA06 but the car has too much rear traction, so much that I cant remove all of it. 2.5* rear camber, 3.5* toe, stiffest springs i can find and it was still unmanagable. Its like the car was MADE for drifting or concrete tracks....
06-13-2012, 02:32 PM
#3235
06-13-2012, 02:43 PM
#3236
190mm bodied 1/10. Im running 17.5 boosted.
I was running a TA06 but the car has too much rear traction, so much that I cant remove all of it. 2.5* rear camber, 3.5* toe, stiffest springs i can find and it was still unmanagable. Its like the car was MADE for drifting or concrete tracks....
I was running a TA06 but the car has too much rear traction, so much that I cant remove all of it. 2.5* rear camber, 3.5* toe, stiffest springs i can find and it was still unmanagable. Its like the car was MADE for drifting or concrete tracks....
06-13-2012, 03:20 PM
#3237
I'm still on the fence on a 417, but I heard the X is better as a asphalt car. the original 417 is better as a carpet. Having owned the 415 and 416 variants, I wanted something different.My ta06 is really good on asphalt. It can keep up with other cf cars in 17.5 boosted. btw, I run 2* rear toe. But something about the 417 allures me.
06-13-2012, 03:59 PM
#3238
06-13-2012, 07:40 PM
#3239
The major differences between the 417 and the 417x are around flex in the car. The 417x added a bunch more flex In both the front and the rear of the car. In the 417x rear they separated the motor mount from the one piece unit and removed the brace in the in the top deck in the front. They also added more cut outs to the chassis. All of this was done to allow the car to flex and twist as it transitions weight from side to side and front to rear. The 417x by design will be better outside, but both cars are very capable on both carpet and pavement. I am running a 417 with split blocks and a cut front top deck and it works very well, but it honestly could use a little more grip outside.
The 417x would be great inside on carpet as well and would be really good with one piece blocks...Tamiya makes a great car and can be made to work on all surfaces. However, getting the car setup correctly is a bit more work then cars with really big setup windows. The tamiya tends to have a smaller setup window, but honestly when it is right it is hard to beat.
Look for the next generation car to have even more flex and even more centralized weight distribution. The chassis that Marc, vicktor, and Jilles are running is pretty narrow and does not have many cutouts, but if that chassis ever gets released it will have the normal tamiya chassis cutouts...I assume. Based on my conversations with Marc and vicktor, they really want more flex in the car and are doing whatever they can to make the car work. I was stunned to see their setups at IIC last year but after talking with those guys I can see why they were moving in the direction they were. My car was really good in non-mod classes, but could see why they wanted more grip for mod.
One of the major changes you can make to get more steering in the car is battery placement. In the 416 line up he biggest change between the 416 and the 416we was the placement of the battery in the car. It was moved way forward, and this change made the 416we brilliant outside. When they moved the battery back in the 416x it really took the aggression out of the car. The reason I mention this is that Marc has been running his battery forward recently and it seems to be working well for him with the 417x.
Hope this helps...
The 417x would be great inside on carpet as well and would be really good with one piece blocks...Tamiya makes a great car and can be made to work on all surfaces. However, getting the car setup correctly is a bit more work then cars with really big setup windows. The tamiya tends to have a smaller setup window, but honestly when it is right it is hard to beat.
Look for the next generation car to have even more flex and even more centralized weight distribution. The chassis that Marc, vicktor, and Jilles are running is pretty narrow and does not have many cutouts, but if that chassis ever gets released it will have the normal tamiya chassis cutouts...I assume. Based on my conversations with Marc and vicktor, they really want more flex in the car and are doing whatever they can to make the car work. I was stunned to see their setups at IIC last year but after talking with those guys I can see why they were moving in the direction they were. My car was really good in non-mod classes, but could see why they wanted more grip for mod.
One of the major changes you can make to get more steering in the car is battery placement. In the 416 line up he biggest change between the 416 and the 416we was the placement of the battery in the car. It was moved way forward, and this change made the 416we brilliant outside. When they moved the battery back in the 416x it really took the aggression out of the car. The reason I mention this is that Marc has been running his battery forward recently and it seems to be working well for him with the 417x.
Hope this helps...
06-14-2012, 01:51 AM
#3240
While I agree that the stock X is possibly less good in high bite carpet than the regular 417 I have to disagree with a few things
The biggest change on the 416we was the one piece deck, which allowed for ore rear flex. Most of the team used the 416 chassis because the forward battery made for less weight transfer, which is why the X reverted to the original battery position.
The chassis Marc used at ETS has no cutouts by design, and if you look at how his car handles compared to Jilles and Viktor you will notice no double steer and more corner speed. This is something XRAY already found out, they tested all different cheese grater designs and ended up with a solid deck but varying the thickness of the carbon for low grip - I might be wrong but I suspect the 2mm chassis Viktor listed on his RROC setup sheet was also solid.
As for the x being better outdoors, the answer is "it depends". It flexes differently to the 417, the flex is more concentrated at the bulkheads. How it feels on the track depends on the track and tyres, on my track the 417 top deck had more bite and grip than the X top deck
The biggest change on the 416we was the one piece deck, which allowed for ore rear flex. Most of the team used the 416 chassis because the forward battery made for less weight transfer, which is why the X reverted to the original battery position.
The chassis Marc used at ETS has no cutouts by design, and if you look at how his car handles compared to Jilles and Viktor you will notice no double steer and more corner speed. This is something XRAY already found out, they tested all different cheese grater designs and ended up with a solid deck but varying the thickness of the carbon for low grip - I might be wrong but I suspect the 2mm chassis Viktor listed on his RROC setup sheet was also solid.
As for the x being better outdoors, the answer is "it depends". It flexes differently to the 417, the flex is more concentrated at the bulkheads. How it feels on the track depends on the track and tyres, on my track the 417 top deck had more bite and grip than the X top deck