4LikesTamiya TRF416 / TRF416WE / TRF416X
12-09-2009, 04:36 AM
#7396
it's very small tight low-med grip carpet track...
setup
40w oil f-r 50% rebound
6-5 droop (measured xray style)
1.5-2 camber
0.5-1 spacers under suspension blocks
d/d-xb/d (2.5) blocks
4mm shims for ankerman
5mm front inner camber link shims
5mm rear inner 3mm rear upright shims
Short arms
top deck cut
no alloy link in between steering posts
Yellow / red springs
front shock in the middle
rear shocks 3th hole from outside
Front spool
46-44 shafts
Both front drive shaft pins has moved out on 2 separate race
car feels so twitchy ,I have to be very gentle on steering ..
Very unpredictable lap by lap
setup
40w oil f-r 50% rebound
6-5 droop (measured xray style)
1.5-2 camber
0.5-1 spacers under suspension blocks
d/d-xb/d (2.5) blocks
4mm shims for ankerman
5mm front inner camber link shims
5mm rear inner 3mm rear upright shims
Short arms
top deck cut
no alloy link in between steering posts
Yellow / red springs
front shock in the middle
rear shocks 3th hole from outside
Front spool
46-44 shafts
Both front drive shaft pins has moved out on 2 separate race
car feels so twitchy ,I have to be very gentle on steering ..
Very unpredictable lap by lap
12-09-2009, 04:46 AM
#7397
"0.5-1 spacers under suspension blocks" - can you be more specific as to which shims under which block? FF/FR and RF/RR
Also those springs are very soft if they are Tamiya springs. It's hard to generalise not having seen your track but your car may be over rotating because of the soft springs.
Also those springs are very soft if they are Tamiya springs. It's hard to generalise not having seen your track but your car may be over rotating because of the soft springs.
12-09-2009, 05:09 AM
#7398
Shims under the block equal both Ff-fr ,rf-rr
0.5/0.5 on front of the car
1/1 rear of the car
springs are good point I've switched to xray 2.8-2.6 springs which we were using on same track even more grippy conditions car was better but another drive shaft pin failure ended my day
but car was defenately over rotating
and which way should I go to calm down steering
forgot to say 1 degree front toe-out! It sounds a bit too much now ...
that was from my xray setup LOL
cheers
0.5/0.5 on front of the car
1/1 rear of the car
springs are good point I've switched to xray 2.8-2.6 springs which we were using on same track even more grippy conditions car was better but another drive shaft pin failure ended my day
but car was defenately over rotating
and which way should I go to calm down steering
forgot to say 1 degree front toe-out! It sounds a bit too much now ...
that was from my xray setup LOL
cheers
12-09-2009, 05:23 AM
#7399
Try this link
And search for some other setup by syndr0me and TryHard. TryHard has a good 416 site with lots of setups - http://www.thard.co.uk
And search for some other setup by syndr0me and TryHard. TryHard has a good 416 site with lots of setups - http://www.thard.co.uk
12-09-2009, 08:34 AM
#7400
it's very small tight low-med grip carpet track...
setup
40w oil f-r 50% rebound TRY 30 OR 35 WITH 0 REBOUND
6-5 droop (measured xray style) TRY 2MM FRONT AND 3MM OVER RIDE HEIGHT
1.5-2 camber
0.5-1 spacers under suspension blocks
d/d-xb/d (2.5) blocks TRY C/C - XA/D or E
4mm shims for ankerman TRY 5 OR 5.5
5mm front inner camber link shims
5mm rear inner 3mm rear upright shims MOST RUN 4 IN 3 OUT
Short arms
top deck cut
no alloy link in between steering posts
Yellow / red springs TRY WHITE/BLUE
front shock in the middle
rear shocks 3th hole from outside
Front spool
46-44 shafts
Both front drive shaft pins has moved out on 2 separate race
car feels so twitchy ,I have to be very gentle on steering ..
Very unpredictable lap by lap
setup
40w oil f-r 50% rebound TRY 30 OR 35 WITH 0 REBOUND
6-5 droop (measured xray style) TRY 2MM FRONT AND 3MM OVER RIDE HEIGHT
1.5-2 camber
0.5-1 spacers under suspension blocks
d/d-xb/d (2.5) blocks TRY C/C - XA/D or E
4mm shims for ankerman TRY 5 OR 5.5
5mm front inner camber link shims
5mm rear inner 3mm rear upright shims MOST RUN 4 IN 3 OUT
Short arms
top deck cut
no alloy link in between steering posts
Yellow / red springs TRY WHITE/BLUE
front shock in the middle
rear shocks 3th hole from outside
Front spool
46-44 shafts
Both front drive shaft pins has moved out on 2 separate race
car feels so twitchy ,I have to be very gentle on steering ..
Very unpredictable lap by lap
Syndromes setup from Vegas is a good start but that was a bigger, high traction track.
12-09-2009, 09:11 AM
#7401
Thanx a lot guys
12-09-2009, 09:29 AM
#7402
Tech Adept
it's very small tight low-med grip carpet track...
setup
40w oil f-r 50% rebound
6-5 droop (measured xray style)
1.5-2 camber
0.5-1 spacers under suspension blocks
d/d-xb/d (2.5) blocks
4mm shims for ankerman
5mm front inner camber link shims
5mm rear inner 3mm rear upright shims
Short arms
top deck cut
no alloy link in between steering posts
Yellow / red springs
front shock in the middle
rear shocks 3th hole from outside
Front spool
46-44 shafts
Both front drive shaft pins has moved out on 2 separate race
car feels so twitchy ,I have to be very gentle on steering ..
Very unpredictable lap by lap
setup
40w oil f-r 50% rebound
6-5 droop (measured xray style)
1.5-2 camber
0.5-1 spacers under suspension blocks
d/d-xb/d (2.5) blocks
4mm shims for ankerman
5mm front inner camber link shims
5mm rear inner 3mm rear upright shims
Short arms
top deck cut
no alloy link in between steering posts
Yellow / red springs
front shock in the middle
rear shocks 3th hole from outside
Front spool
46-44 shafts
Both front drive shaft pins has moved out on 2 separate race
car feels so twitchy ,I have to be very gentle on steering ..
Very unpredictable lap by lap
This is the track he is talking about its very unique
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtVIQ7mf5k
12-09-2009, 09:31 AM
#7403
You might try XA/E or even XA/F in the rear. I'd also lose the shims under the rear blocks and try blue/yellow springs. Maybe some more camber all around, too. If that's too stuck, which it may be, you can start backing those changes out one at a time to find the right combination of speed and drivability.
If the car seems like it gets on the nose too much off power, don't be afraid to try a little anti-dive by sliding a .5mm shim under the front rear block.
If the car seems like it gets on the nose too much off power, don't be afraid to try a little anti-dive by sliding a .5mm shim under the front rear block.
12-09-2009, 09:45 AM
#7404
This is the track he is talking about its very unique http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtVIQ7mf5k
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uvtVIQ7mf5k
12-09-2009, 10:30 AM
#7405
our old one was smaller LOL
but it looks like there is no grip
i would ,
600 oil front
blue front springs
500 oil rear
yellow rear springs
front camber 2.0 rear 2.5
1c 1c front blocks
1xa 1f rear blocks
0.5mm spacer under front/front block
1.0mm spacer under front/rear block
no speacers under rear blocks
0.5mm wheel spacers on rear wheels hex
1mm wheel spacers on front wheels hex
0 degrees front toe , makes the car more settled
do you run any extra weight ?? if so is it front or rear ??
if it is at the rear i would move it forward , believe it or not more weight rear makes the cae rotate faster , as there is more weight to transfer
see what you think
but it looks like there is no grip
i would ,
600 oil front
blue front springs
500 oil rear
yellow rear springs
front camber 2.0 rear 2.5
1c 1c front blocks
1xa 1f rear blocks
0.5mm spacer under front/front block
1.0mm spacer under front/rear block
no speacers under rear blocks
0.5mm wheel spacers on rear wheels hex
1mm wheel spacers on front wheels hex
0 degrees front toe , makes the car more settled
do you run any extra weight ?? if so is it front or rear ??
if it is at the rear i would move it forward , believe it or not more weight rear makes the cae rotate faster , as there is more weight to transfer
see what you think
12-09-2009, 11:30 AM
#7406
with new sweep x1 additive we have much more grip than that...
cars 1350 grams so no extra weight but lipo pack pushed out from chassis to balance the car...
I pushed speedo(rspro) and sr3001 spectrum Rx to max forward position...
I should add more camber to the front 1.5 to 2
front toe out 1 to 0.5
firmer springs white blue or xray 2.8/2.6
how about ankerman? 4mm to 2mm is that calms down steering?
thanx again to all
cars 1350 grams so no extra weight but lipo pack pushed out from chassis to balance the car...
I pushed speedo(rspro) and sr3001 spectrum Rx to max forward position...
I should add more camber to the front 1.5 to 2
front toe out 1 to 0.5
firmer springs white blue or xray 2.8/2.6
how about ankerman? 4mm to 2mm is that calms down steering?
thanx again to all
12-09-2009, 11:41 AM
#7407
Your track is as small and technical as ours.
I have run the xray spring combo you mention and thought it helped.
I also run the spacers under the rear bridges like you as well, it seems to help the car thru the very hard tight corners.
I prefer the lighter oil as the heavier just seem to create a push thru the high speed corners.
I would run more ackerman 5 or 5.5, I would also add 1mm spacer to the hex. The c/c front would help as well.
Hope this helps.
I have run the xray spring combo you mention and thought it helped.
I also run the spacers under the rear bridges like you as well, it seems to help the car thru the very hard tight corners.
I prefer the lighter oil as the heavier just seem to create a push thru the high speed corners.
I would run more ackerman 5 or 5.5, I would also add 1mm spacer to the hex. The c/c front would help as well.
Hope this helps.
12-09-2009, 11:49 AM
#7409
