European Touring Car Championships 2004
07-02-2004, 01:53 PM
#16
All I am saying is that it is interesting to see belt cars going so well on all tracks. For the longest time all I heard from racers is how good shaft cars are.
07-02-2004, 02:27 PM
#17
Tech Apprentice
Here's the list of EFRA approved bodyshells that are only allowed:
Following the EFRA postal vote the rule regarding touring car bodyshells is as follows: - Touring car (Sedan) style bodies, 2 and 4 door versions allowed as raced in International and National 2 Lt Touring Series, plus FIA Group N cars.
EFRA Touring Car Bodyshells List
HPI
#7316: Dodge Stratus
#7381: Vauxhall Astra (BTCC)
Parma
#10124: MG X-20
Protoform
#1427: Dodge Stratus
#1429: Vauxhall Vectra
#1463: Vauxhall Astra BTCC
#1467: MG ZS
Yokomo
#ZR-YSB: Dodge Stratus Type A
#ZR-TCB Toyota Chaser
The PD Designs Alfa 156, made in the UK, and available under the Trickbits name will be added to the list once it is more generally available in mainland Europe.
EFRA Touring Car Bodyshells List
HPI
#7316: Dodge Stratus
#7381: Vauxhall Astra (BTCC)
Parma
#10124: MG X-20
Protoform
#1427: Dodge Stratus
#1429: Vauxhall Vectra
#1463: Vauxhall Astra BTCC
#1467: MG ZS
Yokomo
#ZR-YSB: Dodge Stratus Type A
#ZR-TCB Toyota Chaser
The PD Designs Alfa 156, made in the UK, and available under the Trickbits name will be added to the list once it is more generally available in mainland Europe.
07-02-2004, 02:43 PM
#18
Regarding bodyshells
from the approved list I think the Protoform Stratus1 and Vectra are the one that will be used.
The MG was on the list also but I´m not sure if this one really will be allowed. The Alfa2 was on the list one week before the Euros but then there was the decision it won´t be allowed. Maybe the same for the MG.
from the approved list I think the Protoform Stratus1 and Vectra are the one that will be used.
The MG was on the list also but I´m not sure if this one really will be allowed. The Alfa2 was on the list one week before the Euros but then there was the decision it won´t be allowed. Maybe the same for the MG.
07-02-2004, 02:59 PM
#19
Tech Apprentice
AFAIK Alfa 2.0 hasn't been on the list since it was last updated on May. Some drivers tried to get it approved some days before the race but failed and so it's only current EFRA list that is allowed, including MG.
I agree that Stratus 1.0 and Vectra are the most used used ones. I guess that it's going to be ~ 70-80 % of Stratus 1.0, 0-2% of something else (maybe) and rest uses Vectra. Stratus 1.0 might even have a bigger slice. EFRA list is way too limited and we face this issue almost everyday in some discussions here. Last national race here in Finland had ~ 95% Stratus 1.0 and then rest Vectra.
I agree that Stratus 1.0 and Vectra are the most used used ones. I guess that it's going to be ~ 70-80 % of Stratus 1.0, 0-2% of something else (maybe) and rest uses Vectra. Stratus 1.0 might even have a bigger slice. EFRA list is way too limited and we face this issue almost everyday in some discussions here. Last national race here in Finland had ~ 95% Stratus 1.0 and then rest Vectra.
07-02-2004, 03:28 PM
#20
laptimes dropped a bit in the second round and times overall went down by about 3 seconds.
There is no official result available yet but I copied this from the result from each of the heats.
second round went in this order
1 J Groskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.13.16
2 M Rheinard Germany (DE) 17 - 5.13.90
3 T Leino Finland (FI) 17 - 5.14.24
4 S Graversen Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.15.03
5 A Widmark Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.17.72
6 V Wilck Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.18.38
7 J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.18.53
8 M Hudy Slovakia (SK) 17 - 5.18.82
9 H Hönigl Austria (AT) 17 - 5.19.22
10 J Andersson Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.01.43
11th place went to David Spashett with just 0.02 sec behind 10th place. David had a DNF in the first round.
As it seems Jilles Groskamp, Marc Rheinard and Teemu Leino are the drivers to beat. Steen Graversen improved in this round.
Current Eurochamp Juho Levänen (TC3) seems to be not very fast currently but remember last year. There is seemed the same most time and in the end he did win.
There is no official result available yet but I copied this from the result from each of the heats.
second round went in this order
1 J Groskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.13.16
2 M Rheinard Germany (DE) 17 - 5.13.90
3 T Leino Finland (FI) 17 - 5.14.24
4 S Graversen Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.15.03
5 A Widmark Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.17.72
6 V Wilck Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.18.38
7 J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.18.53
8 M Hudy Slovakia (SK) 17 - 5.18.82
9 H Hönigl Austria (AT) 17 - 5.19.22
10 J Andersson Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.01.43
11th place went to David Spashett with just 0.02 sec behind 10th place. David had a DNF in the first round.
As it seems Jilles Groskamp, Marc Rheinard and Teemu Leino are the drivers to beat. Steen Graversen improved in this round.
Current Eurochamp Juho Levänen (TC3) seems to be not very fast currently but remember last year. There is seemed the same most time and in the end he did win.
07-03-2004, 01:01 AM
#21
Tech Apprentice
Uhm .. V12, where do you get those results? David was 13th, not 11th in 2. qualifying. Here's the results from 1. and 2. qualifyings:
There's total of 6 qualifying heats and points from 4 best heats are taken into count. Time doesn't matter, just position from each heat. All 6 qualifying heats will be driven with same tire set.
EDIT: Only 3 from 6 are taken into count, not 4 as I stated above, sorry!
1. Qualifying:
1. J Groskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.16.08
2. M Rheinard Germany (DE) 17 - 5.16.94
3. T Leino Finland (FI) 17 - 5.18.30
4. J Andersson Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.20.61
5. S Graversen Denmark (DK) 16 - 5.00.64
6. J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 16 - 5.02.66
7. H Hönigl Austria (AT) 16 - 5.02.72
8. C Drescher United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.04.91
9. A Myrberg Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.05.64
10. A Moore United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.05.78
11. T Torikka Finland (FI) 16 - 5.06.61
12. C Grainger United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.06.84
13. A Widmark Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.07.18
14. B Cosgrove United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.07.60
15. V Wilck Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.07.89
16. N Koenekoop Netherlands (NL) 16 - 5.08.4
17. C Andersson Finland (FI) 16 - 5.09.39
18. Sakke Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 16 - 5.12.37
19. P Pinisch Austria (AT) 16 - 5.12.48
20. M Hudy Slovakia (SK) 16 - 5.13.71
21. A Childs United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.14.29
22. A Krämer Germany (DE) 16 - 5.14.58
23. T Bakke Norway (NO) 16 - 5.16.57
24. A Hagberg Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.16.71
25. M Bok Czech Rep. (CZ) 16 - 5.17.83
26. P Huber Switzerland (CH) 16 - 5.18.27
27. D Wischnewski Germany (DE) 16 - 5.19.00
28. J Nielsen Denmark (DK) 16 - 5.19.63
Fastest lap: Jonas Andersson 18,1
2. Qualifying:
1. J Groskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.13.16
2. M Rheinard Germany (DE) 17 - 5.13.90
3. T Leino Finland (FI) 17 - 5.14.24
4. S Graversen Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.15.03
5. A Widmark Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.17.72
6. V Wilck Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.18.38
7. J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.18.53
8. M Hudy Slovakia (SK) 17 - 5.18.82
9. H Hönigl Austria (AT) 17 - 5.19.22
10. T Pumpler Austria (AT) 16 - 5.00.31
11. M Nilsson Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.00.90
12. J Andersson Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.01.43
13. D Spashett United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.01.45
14. Sakke Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 16 - 5.01.69
15. C Grainger United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.01.81
16. N Koenekoop Netherlands (NL) 16 - 5.02.62
17. T Bakke Norway (NO) 16 - 5.03.89
18. C Andersson Finland (FI) 16 - 5.04.13
19. T Torikka Finland (FI) 16 - 5.04.75
29. 0P Pinisch Austria (AT) 16 - 5.05.55
21. J-M Betticher Switzerland (CH) 16 - 5.06.38
22. M Bok Czech Rep. (CZ) 16 - 5.06.51
23. Simo Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 16 - 5.06.66
24. A Moore United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.07.29
25. A Hagberg Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.07.73
26. A Childs United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.08.00
27. J Nielsen Denmark (DK) 16 - 5.08.68
28. A Stenberg Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.08.85
29. P Huber Switzerland (CH) 16 - 5.09.08
30. B Cosgrove United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.10.50
Fastest lap: J.Andersson/Groskamp/Leino/Rheinard 18,1
1. J Groskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.16.08
2. M Rheinard Germany (DE) 17 - 5.16.94
3. T Leino Finland (FI) 17 - 5.18.30
4. J Andersson Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.20.61
5. S Graversen Denmark (DK) 16 - 5.00.64
6. J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 16 - 5.02.66
7. H Hönigl Austria (AT) 16 - 5.02.72
8. C Drescher United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.04.91
9. A Myrberg Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.05.64
10. A Moore United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.05.78
11. T Torikka Finland (FI) 16 - 5.06.61
12. C Grainger United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.06.84
13. A Widmark Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.07.18
14. B Cosgrove United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.07.60
15. V Wilck Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.07.89
16. N Koenekoop Netherlands (NL) 16 - 5.08.4
17. C Andersson Finland (FI) 16 - 5.09.39
18. Sakke Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 16 - 5.12.37
19. P Pinisch Austria (AT) 16 - 5.12.48
20. M Hudy Slovakia (SK) 16 - 5.13.71
21. A Childs United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.14.29
22. A Krämer Germany (DE) 16 - 5.14.58
23. T Bakke Norway (NO) 16 - 5.16.57
24. A Hagberg Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.16.71
25. M Bok Czech Rep. (CZ) 16 - 5.17.83
26. P Huber Switzerland (CH) 16 - 5.18.27
27. D Wischnewski Germany (DE) 16 - 5.19.00
28. J Nielsen Denmark (DK) 16 - 5.19.63
Fastest lap: Jonas Andersson 18,1
2. Qualifying:
1. J Groskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.13.16
2. M Rheinard Germany (DE) 17 - 5.13.90
3. T Leino Finland (FI) 17 - 5.14.24
4. S Graversen Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.15.03
5. A Widmark Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.17.72
6. V Wilck Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.18.38
7. J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.18.53
8. M Hudy Slovakia (SK) 17 - 5.18.82
9. H Hönigl Austria (AT) 17 - 5.19.22
10. T Pumpler Austria (AT) 16 - 5.00.31
11. M Nilsson Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.00.90
12. J Andersson Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.01.43
13. D Spashett United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.01.45
14. Sakke Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 16 - 5.01.69
15. C Grainger United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.01.81
16. N Koenekoop Netherlands (NL) 16 - 5.02.62
17. T Bakke Norway (NO) 16 - 5.03.89
18. C Andersson Finland (FI) 16 - 5.04.13
19. T Torikka Finland (FI) 16 - 5.04.75
29. 0P Pinisch Austria (AT) 16 - 5.05.55
21. J-M Betticher Switzerland (CH) 16 - 5.06.38
22. M Bok Czech Rep. (CZ) 16 - 5.06.51
23. Simo Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 16 - 5.06.66
24. A Moore United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.07.29
25. A Hagberg Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.07.73
26. A Childs United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.08.00
27. J Nielsen Denmark (DK) 16 - 5.08.68
28. A Stenberg Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.08.85
29. P Huber Switzerland (CH) 16 - 5.09.08
30. B Cosgrove United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.10.50
Fastest lap: J.Andersson/Groskamp/Leino/Rheinard 18,1
EDIT: Only 3 from 6 are taken into count, not 4 as I stated above, sorry!
Last edited by copter; 07-03-2004 at 01:10 AM.
07-03-2004, 01:30 AM
#22
copter
I´m sorry it was a mistake from me. There was no update with results from any website until late in the night so I did a list of my own from the results of the heats but I missed the results from Pumpler and Nilsson. Thanks for correcting this.
Despite this I hope David will do it better in the other heats. He did have a very disappointing Euros last year and I hope he will be in the A-Final this year again.
I´m sorry it was a mistake from me. There was no update with results from any website until late in the night so I did a list of my own from the results of the heats but I missed the results from Pumpler and Nilsson. Thanks for correcting this.
Despite this I hope David will do it better in the other heats. He did have a very disappointing Euros last year and I hope he will be in the A-Final this year again.
07-03-2004, 03:35 AM
#23
Heat 3 is over and as it seems some drivers had problems in their runs.
1 J Groskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.14.77
2 Sakke Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.16.09
3 J Myrberg Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.16.68
4 J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.16.79
5 H Hönigl Austria (AT) 17 - 5.17.03
6 Simo Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.19.10
7 S Graversen Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.23.37
8 D Spashett United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.00.07
9 M Rheinard Germany (DE) 16 - 5.00.16
10 J Andersson Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.02.32
This list is unofficial but I think it should be OK.
1 J Groskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.14.77
2 Sakke Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.16.09
3 J Myrberg Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.16.68
4 J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.16.79
5 H Hönigl Austria (AT) 17 - 5.17.03
6 Simo Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.19.10
7 S Graversen Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.23.37
8 D Spashett United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.00.07
9 M Rheinard Germany (DE) 16 - 5.00.16
10 J Andersson Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.02.32
This list is unofficial but I think it should be OK.
07-03-2004, 04:41 AM
#24
I just have deleted all the results I have posted from 4th and 5th round as I´m pretty unsure what are the real current standings. I got informations from 3 sources and all of them were completely different. Even at the official website there were some results which aren´t available any longer.
Last edited by V12; 07-03-2004 at 06:29 AM.
07-03-2004, 04:58 AM
#25
Regarding bodyshells most drivers are using the PF Stratus 1.
Last edited by V12; 07-03-2004 at 06:31 AM.
07-03-2004, 06:55 AM
#26
update
Now it´s a new list after the 4th round and this one was confirmed. It seems the results from the Orion site are wrong.
The results from the official site were corrected.
So the results from 4. Qualifying were
1. T Leino Finland (FI) 17 - 5.12.87
2. J Andersson Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.13.21
3. JGroskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.14.57
4. J Myrberg Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.14.75
5. J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.15.00
6. Simo Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.15.66
7. S Graversen Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.17.87
8. A Moore United Kingdom (GB) 17 - 5.18.49
9. H Hönigl Austria (AT) 17 - 5.19.91
10. Sakke Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.22.13
11. A Myrberg Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.00.40
12.D Spashett United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.00.44
13. C Drescher United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.00.46
14. P Pinisch Austria (AT) 16 - 5.02.27
15.B Cosgrove United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.04.66
Marc Rheinard had a bad run. From what I have heard his car isn´t working as before but they don´t know why.
Now it´s a new list after the 4th round and this one was confirmed. It seems the results from the Orion site are wrong.
The results from the official site were corrected.
So the results from 4. Qualifying were
1. T Leino Finland (FI) 17 - 5.12.87
2. J Andersson Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.13.21
3. JGroskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.14.57
4. J Myrberg Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.14.75
5. J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.15.00
6. Simo Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.15.66
7. S Graversen Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.17.87
8. A Moore United Kingdom (GB) 17 - 5.18.49
9. H Hönigl Austria (AT) 17 - 5.19.91
10. Sakke Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.22.13
11. A Myrberg Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.00.40
12.D Spashett United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.00.44
13. C Drescher United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.00.46
14. P Pinisch Austria (AT) 16 - 5.02.27
15.B Cosgrove United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.04.66
Marc Rheinard had a bad run. From what I have heard his car isn´t working as before but they don´t know why.
07-03-2004, 07:11 AM
#27
Great work V12!!!! It's great to see "live" updates here on rctech
Team Schumacher: Keep up the hard work (Phil, Teemu, Chris, Jonas and the rest of the crew)!!!!!!!!!
Team Schumacher: Keep up the hard work (Phil, Teemu, Chris, Jonas and the rest of the crew)!!!!!!!!!
07-03-2004, 07:24 AM
#28
Thanks PW.
I hope I will get more information later. But it´s annoying sometimes if there are some different results published and you don´t know which are right or wrong. I hope this won´t be again.
I hope I will get more information later. But it´s annoying sometimes if there are some different results published and you don´t know which are right or wrong. I hope this won´t be again.
07-03-2004, 08:50 AM
#29
Tech Apprentice
COME ON TEEMU!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
.
Yann.
.Yann.
07-03-2004, 09:29 AM
#30
update
5. Qualifying was in this order
J Myrberg Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.11.69
T Leino Finland (FI) 17 - 5.12.99
Simo Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.13.33
J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.14.10
V Wilck Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.15.34
J Andersson Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.15.50
D Spashett United Kingdom (GB) 17 - 5.15.82
Sakke Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.15.85
H Hönigl Austria (AT) 17 - 5.15.87
J Groskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.15.89
M Rheinard Germany (DE) 17 - 5.16.08
C Drescher United Kingdom (GB) 17 - 5.16.46
A Myrberg Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.17.27
J-M Betticher Switzerland (CH) 17 - 5.18.61
P Martin Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.19.34
M Nilsson Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.00.03
A Krämer Germany (DE) 16 - 5.00.65
C Grainger United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.00.83
T Pumpler Austria (AT) 16 - 5.01.24
T Torikka Finland (FI) 16 - 5.01.38
S Graversen Denmark (DK) 16 - 5.02.06
A Moore United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.03.14
E Andreassen Norway (NO) 16 - 5.03.36
C Andersson Finland (FI) 16 - 5.03.88
B Cosgrove United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.03.95
D Wischnewski Germany (DE) 16 - 5.04.24
M Hudy Slovakia (SK) 16 - 5.04.28
Marc Rheinard and Jonas Andersson lost some time because of radio glitches but had very good laptimes.
Joel Myrberg had an incredible run, just look at his time.
Overall it´s a very close race.
It´s one round of qualifying left now.
5. Qualifying was in this order
J Myrberg Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.11.69
T Leino Finland (FI) 17 - 5.12.99
Simo Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.13.33
J Kaerup Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.14.10
V Wilck Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.15.34
J Andersson Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.15.50
D Spashett United Kingdom (GB) 17 - 5.15.82
Sakke Ahoniemi Finland (FI) 17 - 5.15.85
H Hönigl Austria (AT) 17 - 5.15.87
J Groskamp Netherlands (NL) 17 - 5.15.89
M Rheinard Germany (DE) 17 - 5.16.08
C Drescher United Kingdom (GB) 17 - 5.16.46
A Myrberg Sweden (SE) 17 - 5.17.27
J-M Betticher Switzerland (CH) 17 - 5.18.61
P Martin Denmark (DK) 17 - 5.19.34
M Nilsson Sweden (SE) 16 - 5.00.03
A Krämer Germany (DE) 16 - 5.00.65
C Grainger United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.00.83
T Pumpler Austria (AT) 16 - 5.01.24
T Torikka Finland (FI) 16 - 5.01.38
S Graversen Denmark (DK) 16 - 5.02.06
A Moore United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.03.14
E Andreassen Norway (NO) 16 - 5.03.36
C Andersson Finland (FI) 16 - 5.03.88
B Cosgrove United Kingdom (GB) 16 - 5.03.95
D Wischnewski Germany (DE) 16 - 5.04.24
M Hudy Slovakia (SK) 16 - 5.04.28
Marc Rheinard and Jonas Andersson lost some time because of radio glitches but had very good laptimes.
Joel Myrberg had an incredible run, just look at his time.
Overall it´s a very close race.
It´s one round of qualifying left now.