World GT Club Racing - To spec or not to spec is the question????
12-24-2010, 06:40 PM
#616
originally the class was supposed to be about bodies that were based on legit race cars and then you ended up with bodies like teh Sophia and the Ferrari 599 and the Parma DB9 (which is stretched farther than an actual DB9). there are some pockets of 235mm racers (I think one of the regulars in the 10th pan discussion races with some guys in CO) but not as solid a following as there used to be. if there are guys who want to bring their old 235s out then I say let em and see where things go
12-25-2010, 06:31 AM
#617
There were a bunch of us locally that were really interested in bringing back a 10th pan class. Then some moron suggested GT bodies and we all threw our arms up in disgust and walked away... 235 doesn't scale out (the bodies always will look like cartoon versions of the reall thing)
The GT bodies would be a huge challenge for mod. Without mod you have factory racers in your slowest class. Not necessarily a good thing for the less skilled racers that are just getting started.
The GT bodies would be a huge challenge for mod. Without mod you have factory racers in your slowest class. Not necessarily a good thing for the less skilled racers that are just getting started.
12-25-2010, 08:11 AM
#618
WGT is a spec class as it is.
Why ruin it by breaking it up into several spec classes? There are hardly any one racing these now and any rule changes will dilute the field even more. As it is at my track we only have one Main of WGT and 1/12. In WGT there is a 12 to 15 lap difference between No 1 and last non-DNF. But the slower drivers are starting to get it and are gaining speed.
Why ruin it by breaking it up into several spec classes? There are hardly any one racing these now and any rule changes will dilute the field even more. As it is at my track we only have one Main of WGT and 1/12. In WGT there is a 12 to 15 lap difference between No 1 and last non-DNF. But the slower drivers are starting to get it and are gaining speed.
12-25-2010, 08:14 AM
#619
You didnt have to just throw up your hands and walk away when he brought up GT bodies. The better course would have been to talk it out (preferably without punches being thrown), and worked out a mutually agreeable solution that would allow for both 235mm and 200mm. I had a 10L for the longest time (it may still be around my house in Portsmouth somewhere) and so I am certainly in favor of seeing 235 make a return (even if it means using a conversion kit) but at the same time I think that there is a place for the 200mm WGT class but maybe if we took a page from the BRCA and for that class only allowed bodies that actually were legitimate front or mid-engine race cars. yeah they wouldnt perform super well (like the stuff that is out now) but who says that every class has to be about slammed bodies and maximum downforce.
12-25-2010, 10:58 AM
#621
In my opinion WGT is only one class with nine or so choices of bodies. If you don't like those choices, fine then this isn't a class for you. You want to race 235, fine race 235 but in your own class or sell the 235 and get a WGT. Looks like AE has dropped future runs of the 10R5 and will be selling out existing stock. Good time to get a deal on one, they really don't break unless you drive full speed into a wall.
It makes me think back to the SCCA days where some joker would insist on racing a class C car in class H so he would have a chance at a podium position. It ain't gonna happen.
It makes me think back to the SCCA days where some joker would insist on racing a class C car in class H so he would have a chance at a podium position. It ain't gonna happen.
12-25-2010, 12:52 PM
#622
The downside to the body list for WGT as it is currently constituted is that many of those bodies are discontinued and that really leaves only three maybe four possible choices. Im weighing between the Parma Aston Martin (and I will probably get it painted like Hexis AMR or one of the FIA GT1 Astons) or the HPI Saleen Mustang (which isnt as competitive but is American and have it painted like the ACS cars from Speed World Challenge or maybe like a Continental Tire series Mustang)
12-25-2010, 01:24 PM
#623
Who really cares what it is painted like (the body)- if the car does not handle. If you can't have fun racing the class don't race it.
The paint scheme does not does not make the car any faster.Only the drivers skills.And regardless if you don't practice nothing will help.
The paint scheme does not does not make the car any faster.Only the drivers skills.And regardless if you don't practice nothing will help.
Last edited by BullFrog; 12-25-2010 at 01:39 PM.
12-25-2010, 03:45 PM
#625
So far the Mustang doesn't seem to affect the handling as much as the chassis set up. One of our newer wgt racers has the Stang and until we helped him figure out his CRC it was all over the place.
I have used the Sofia, Corvette and now the DB9 and have not noticed any significant handling issues that can't be fixed by tuning the chassis (springs, oil, shock limiters, etc).
BTW We stress fun more than winning, though it's nice to win too.
I have used the Sofia, Corvette and now the DB9 and have not noticed any significant handling issues that can't be fixed by tuning the chassis (springs, oil, shock limiters, etc).
BTW We stress fun more than winning, though it's nice to win too.
12-25-2010, 04:25 PM
#626
235 is dead. The cars are being phased out and there will be zero support again soon. May it rest in peace.
When a bunch of us originally talked about reviving a 10th pan class it was centered around cars that could be made to look more scale than the old 235 doorstops. Dale Epp at Protoform made a sweet 190mm body for the class and it went in the can in favor of what we have now.
Until onroad makes changes that will stop the bleeding it will continue to decline. And by bleeding I mean the lack of new racers and the current racers that are leaving. Very Very few tracks are seeing increased onroad numbers...
When a bunch of us originally talked about reviving a 10th pan class it was centered around cars that could be made to look more scale than the old 235 doorstops. Dale Epp at Protoform made a sweet 190mm body for the class and it went in the can in favor of what we have now.
Until onroad makes changes that will stop the bleeding it will continue to decline. And by bleeding I mean the lack of new racers and the current racers that are leaving. Very Very few tracks are seeing increased onroad numbers...