if you send him the other modded engines you want graphed!!!!!

buy 1 of this motors and put it on your dyno!!!!

i see you are back to cause trouble... do use all a big favor and move on from the clockworks engine thread please....

it is getting old babysiting.. there is no more mr. nice moderator anymore... marcos.j will be getting involved and you can deal with him... thank you for your time

yea Duh! I'm not all here because I have not raced in almost a month. I cant even read anymore

u already know what it is K!!

I know i have graphs with 4 or more engines. Like for you Koby, the graph comparing stock xz-b vs stock speed vs each engine after modding is cool. I think i have it or Neal could possibly repost. What it boils down to is Neal was able to get almost identical results from both engines after modding, making it questionable if the extra money for the speed is worth it after modding. It's a big price difference for the modded speed meaning you're paying alot for a ceramic bearing, DLC and slugged crank. Very much food for thought.

Hambone you make a good point in your post but you have to look at it in different way. For the racer who's funds are limited hands down the werks engines are the best thing for them. It isn't fair to say that the speed is a waste of money because you can get an engine for almost half the price and it can perform just as good. People like what they like. Don't knock a man for spending $400 on an engine when he could have gotten the b5 or b6. If I can get it to run I like it. no matter what it costs. Hell werks need to make an onroad engine. I'd get one.

Why does my stuff allways get drawn into all of the debates lol! Allspeed I think that if you go back and read hanmbones post again you will see that he was talking about Neal's post of his modified OS XZ-B V-SPEC versus a stock OS XZ-B Speed and the price difference between the two v/ performance that you get NOT versus one of our engines.

He was explaining that a MOD speed with XX power is getting almost identical XX power from a MOD XZ-B. No reazon to get WERKS engines in your mix. Hambone was talking of 2 os engines and that is it. LMAO Why paid for more when you get the same for less.

I figure people like my dyno results....

You misunderstood me. Jammin and i both have run OS for a long time. My point was if you like OS and that's what YOU are going to buy, and you want it modified, the end result from Neal was very identical in power between the speed and xz-b after modding, however the price is quite different for the engines. That's where the customer has to decide if the ceramic bearing, DLC coated and slugged crank are worth the different price.

Problem is that they are all different and will all have their own feel on the track. Even if the dyno says they are the same or close to the same, there will be a difference on the track and in how they tune and how long they last, etc... In the end it comes down to personal preference and what you think is worth it. I know for myself and many others the speed is worth it.

Yep. That is up to who's buying it. I like to think the DLC crank and ceramic bearing are worth some of the price difference, but in the end it really comes down to what you want and if you think it is worth the extra cash to have the Black Monster.

I have a customer who has both the modified XZB Speed and the modified XZB...according to him they feel pretty much identical...but as time goes on we will see if that still holds true...

Actually in that situation I would think they would be very similar. The XZ-B's are sweet motors and I'm sure with a little tweaking they will run a lot like a speed. The speed will still have some luxuries that the XZ-B doesn't, but they should run similar. One thing with the speed is that you can rebuild it several times without a problem because of the DLC crank.

No one is argue the MAP of this engines, or how perform or taste, is just some people can't read and that was it.

I was commenting on this part of your post...