Quick Question about gaining some speed at the track
#1
Hey guys i have a important question here.
I race 12th scale carpet, and i am looking for some speed at the track.
I have tuned my driving skills in and now I need to touch more power.
Right now i am running a Novak GTX and a Komodo 19T motor with 1s lipos.
I run with guys that have the Tekins and 13.5, and i am getting blistered on teh strait a ways. I can keep up in the infield, without problems, but they are pulling me down the back stretch.
I don't have alot to spend so I wanted to throw a few things out there and get some good ideas.
I was thinking of just upgrading my ESC to the Tekin RS ( since it can run brushed motors also ), but would this give my 19T some new found life?
I was also thinking of getting a Novak Havoc 13.5 brushless system for it, but not sure if that would be much faster than what I have now.
I will go Brushless 13.5 later, but out of funds right now, but I do have a little set aside for a new ESC if that will help out for now. ( Or atleast till i burn the 19t up ).
Any thoughts? All opinions are welcome.
I race 12th scale carpet, and i am looking for some speed at the track.
I have tuned my driving skills in and now I need to touch more power.
Right now i am running a Novak GTX and a Komodo 19T motor with 1s lipos.
I run with guys that have the Tekins and 13.5, and i am getting blistered on teh strait a ways. I can keep up in the infield, without problems, but they are pulling me down the back stretch.
I don't have alot to spend so I wanted to throw a few things out there and get some good ideas.
I was thinking of just upgrading my ESC to the Tekin RS ( since it can run brushed motors also ), but would this give my 19T some new found life?
I was also thinking of getting a Novak Havoc 13.5 brushless system for it, but not sure if that would be much faster than what I have now.
I will go Brushless 13.5 later, but out of funds right now, but I do have a little set aside for a new ESC if that will help out for now. ( Or atleast till i burn the 19t up ).
Any thoughts? All opinions are welcome.
#2
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,055
I would recommend getting the Tekin. It is a chunk of change, but you will be set for a long time. The Novak Havoc has a nice price, but you will be in the same situation against the Tekin guys. If you get your ESC, you can often find motors on the forums for a good price. If you buy from someone with plenty of good feedback you can be pretty certain of getting a good deal.
#4
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,636
A brushless esc such as the tekin will not advance the timing or add timing boost to a brushed 19 turn motor. The timing of a spec 19 turn motor is typically fixed. The speed control can do nothing to advance that fixed timing. A speed control acts like a high-frequency on/off switch on a brushed motor. It is possible to advance timing on a brushless motor because the esc controls a lot more of the motor function.
Save your money until you can buy a tekin motor/esc combo.
#5
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,055
Yes, the Tekin RS will not improve your brushed motor much, if at all. But, if you get it then you will be ready when you can afford a motor. Any popular sensored motor will run great on the RS. 13.5s can be found on the forum used in great condition every day.
#6
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That information is very incorrect. I hope someone didn't sell you on it.
A brushless esc such as the tekin will not advance the timing or add timing boost to a brushed 19 turn motor. The timing of a spec 19 turn motor is typically fixed. The speed control can do nothing to advance that fixed timing. A speed control acts like a high-frequency on/off switch on a brushed motor. It is possible to advance timing on a brushless motor because the esc controls a lot more of the motor function.
Save your money until you can buy a tekin motor/esc combo.
A brushless esc such as the tekin will not advance the timing or add timing boost to a brushed 19 turn motor. The timing of a spec 19 turn motor is typically fixed. The speed control can do nothing to advance that fixed timing. A speed control acts like a high-frequency on/off switch on a brushed motor. It is possible to advance timing on a brushless motor because the esc controls a lot more of the motor function.
Save your money until you can buy a tekin motor/esc combo.
#7
Thanks for all the great info guys.
I think I am going to go with this system......
https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/c...s&pn=TEKTT2152
So what do you guys think?
I think I am going to go with this system......
https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/c...s&pn=TEKTT2152
So what do you guys think?
#8
Joined: Jul 2004
Posts: 2,636
Thanks for all the great info guys.
I think I am going to go with this system......
https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/c...s&pn=TEKTT2152
So what do you guys think?
I think I am going to go with this system......
https://www.ssl-stormerhobbies.com/c...s&pn=TEKTT2152
So what do you guys think?
#10
Thanks, it should be on it's way.
Last night at the track I learned a valuable lesson about rollout.
Now I kinda feel dumb spending $240 bucks......But it is a investment on the future though.
I was running a 29 tooth pinion on my motor, but after a 6 min run, My motor and ESC and battery was cool to the touch. So the guys at Nexus loaned my a 31 tooth pinion, and WOW what a difference.
I had no idea, rear tire size and pinion could make that big of a difference.
Our track only has one strait away, and now i am flying down it, with enough torque to jam through the infield. Actually it's easier to drive in the infield because it's not so on/off (best way to describe it ) with the throttle input.
Shaved some serious time off my laps and became very competitive....
Live and Learn
Last night at the track I learned a valuable lesson about rollout.
Now I kinda feel dumb spending $240 bucks......But it is a investment on the future though.
I was running a 29 tooth pinion on my motor, but after a 6 min run, My motor and ESC and battery was cool to the touch. So the guys at Nexus loaned my a 31 tooth pinion, and WOW what a difference.
I had no idea, rear tire size and pinion could make that big of a difference.
Our track only has one strait away, and now i am flying down it, with enough torque to jam through the infield. Actually it's easier to drive in the infield because it's not so on/off (best way to describe it ) with the throttle input.
Shaved some serious time off my laps and became very competitive....

Live and Learn
#11
Joined: Apr 2009
Posts: 3,055
I guess I assumed that since you were looking at brushless you had extracted all the speed available from your current setup. Now you know that gearing is very important, always one of my favorite tuning options. The Tekin combo is still a great investment, sorry you had to spend the money before you really needed to though.




