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I think a major portion of the peeling/chunking issues being seen is the extreme speed that the cars are going now and the extra load put on the side walls. We would rarely see this in the old days and actually, most of this started when all the companies started making the rims bigger. Not sure how that could cause the problem, just an observation.
I've had the best luck cutting rears to 43mm to start and super glueing the sidewalls a little along with rounding over the edges. I think this not only helps keep the foam from separating but actually frees up the car a little to eliminate some of the side wall stress that can tear the foam. I know that Drew and I are both running yellow and orange rears and not having the extreme issues that you show in your picture. Sure, we will get an occasional chunk or peel but not like that.
And to Jack, if the manufacturer of the rims can't fix this, you should be looking for a new vendor. I doubt that Assoc., Losi or Xray would accept those tolerances. I know I wouldn't. If the material being used is shrinking that much after shipping, I would think the rims would be out of round as well. Sounds more like a mold issue to me as any competent injection molding company would factor the shrinkage into the mold design from the beginning. Other than the bearing issue, I like the newer rim design.
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With regards to tyres, and tyres chunking, personally, I usually buy 6 sets of GRP Magenta fronts and 6 sets of GRP Pink rears. We normally run 1 practice heat, with 4 qualifiers and then a final. Each set gets used once per race day. Race 1 sees tyres ran 1 thru 6, race 2 6 thru to 1. They end up wearing down at the same rate so don't have to worry about ride height changes, or gearing changes, etc. These tyres are now on their 3rd season and racing and still going well and I think its the fact that only one coating of additive goes on them each meeting (so they don't soften up after multiple coatings) plus I cut large wheel arches out of the b'shells so they don't cut into the tyre during an incident. Overall, those compounds work really well for me so have stuck with them over the years and although it's a bit of a payout to start with, overall, I am quids in coz they're still going well! Cheers.
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I'm am wondering if this is a foolish idea. I am sitting on an Associated 12 L3. I would like to run a brushless and lipo in it. Is this a goofy idea considering how old the car is? Getting a lipo specific car right is not in the plans. I would only be running at club level races and learning to set up the car.
I'm am wondering if this is a foolish idea. I am sitting on an Associated 12 L3. I would like to run a brushless and lipo in it. Is this a goofy idea considering how old the car is? Getting a lipo specific car right is not in the plans. I would only be running at club level races and learning to set up the car.
LiPo battery selection will be limited to the new SpeedZone 1S LiPo saddle pack - racers have tried other adaptations, but use of the new saddle pack is really the way to go.
While most bodies will "fit", stick to the ProtoForm AMR-12 since it has the most room for motor wiring and proper side-to-side pod articulation.
Hope this helps - better get the Dremel ready!!!
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I'm am wondering if this is a foolish idea. I am sitting on an Associated 12 L3. I would like to run a brushless and lipo in it. Is this a goofy idea considering how old the car is? Getting a lipo specific car right is not in the plans. I would only be running at club level races and learning to set up the car.
Go for it!
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Come see me Thursday night or Sunday and I will either cut some for you or show you how to do it yourself. Better yet, I will give you a set of smaller tires to run to see if it makes a difference. I find it odd that your left rear is doing that considering the current layout. All of the fast corners are right handers and the outside boards are on the right. You might check the body to see if the wheel wells are cut out enough and not causing that.
I'll run you down Sunday.
Cheers,
Jeff
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One thing I have noticed with the Yellow rears is that the peeling is actually from tearing due to the foam being soft and the bite being high on a slightly bumpy track. As the car rolls on the tire and you hit a bump or wrinkle in the carpet the tire actually tears from the wheel. You can still see black on the wheel but the rest of the foam looks peeled. I think its actually torn from being so soft and racing on high traction surfaces.
This is what I have seen the past year or so of running a lot of yellows....May not be the same for everyone else.
EA
This is what I have seen the past year or so of running a lot of yellows....May not be the same for everyone else.
EA
I don't know why this year would be any worse than previous years. We have used the same foam and glue from the same source we have used for 15 years. The bearing fit is an issue, but I have not heard about the rear hole being too big. As I said, not denying it, just have never heard about it.
(Sorry, couldn't resist that smart remark!) I received some today, following batches received in the last three months, and none of them 'click' onto my truer mandrel like the early batches received in the middle of last year. I have a temporary fix for the fronts, so its now just a mild irritation, but the rears are not so easy to fix, and the tyres do run out of true if you don't get them right.I agree with others about the speeds of the cars, and the extra grip we have using modern tyres. My car now has 200 watts of power that I can use for eight minutes. Ten years ago it had about 120 watts of power that I couldn't use for eight minutes or it would go flat. Guess what has taken up that slack - the tyre!
Again, Jack, thanks for coming on here and being helpful, it's very brave. Bearing holes are a glitch - form is temporary, class is permanent!
And yes, I too consider chunking my fault.


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I think we are talking about two different problems here. One is "chunking' and the other is "peeling". Chunking is certainly an issue with all foam tires to some extent. Whites and yellows to much more severe degree. Peeling implies that the tires were not glued satisfactorily from the start. Many people mistake chunking for peeling, when in fact they are two separate issues. We did come out with orange to minumize chunking. The thing I found troubling and confusing was that someone said they peeled back 5-7mm of rubber and reglued our tires. I can't imagine how that is possible. I can't get the edges to release unless I physically tear the rubber. Just remember, if there is black on the rim (foam), your tire is CHUNKED not PEELED.
I don't know what to tell everyone about the wheel bearing issue. I have emailed and received confirmation from our molder on 5 separate occasions that the bearing holes are fixed, yet each time they are loose. I can only assume that the wheels, while in transit, distort somehow. This is incredibly frustrating since it has not always been an issue. I have more arriving any day, so we will see if it is fixed. Oh, by the way, the factory that makes our molds did NOT burn down. As with businesses around the world, they have cut back on staff and are struggling to keep up with demand, while still being conservative about hiring back employees. We see this with our rubber supplier too. An order typically used to take 60 days from start to delivery to our door. Now it is at least 90 days or more. This has thrown all of our scheduling for a loop, thus creating shortages.
I don't know what to tell everyone about the wheel bearing issue. I have emailed and received confirmation from our molder on 5 separate occasions that the bearing holes are fixed, yet each time they are loose. I can only assume that the wheels, while in transit, distort somehow. This is incredibly frustrating since it has not always been an issue. I have more arriving any day, so we will see if it is fixed. Oh, by the way, the factory that makes our molds did NOT burn down. As with businesses around the world, they have cut back on staff and are struggling to keep up with demand, while still being conservative about hiring back employees. We see this with our rubber supplier too. An order typically used to take 60 days from start to delivery to our door. Now it is at least 90 days or more. This has thrown all of our scheduling for a loop, thus creating shortages.
Like InspGadget and SlowerOne said, thanks for coming on and taking interest. In my original description, I streamlined my process to try to chunk
down the length of my post. Yes, I've been doing this (R/C) for a while and understand "chunk" vs "peel". When I talked of peeling up the edge 5-7mm "right out of the box" it is a bit more involved (which is why I quit using Jaco's). My experience that just the initial stress on the tire of the first couple of runs or the first passes on a truer are enough to "loosen" up the edge. I typically true down my tires a fair amount before they even see the track. So, right out of the box, for me, they go to the truer, then get the edge worked on. The 3M weatherstrip adhesive is very flexible and like Gadget said, when the rim flexes, the CA is brittle and gives way. Having re-glued the edge with the 3M gives the tire support when the rim flexes. If a set of tires hasn't loosend up the edge right off the truer, it will within the first pass on the track. I have to watch carefully and get the 3M on it before there is a chance it will chunk. Once the 3M is applied, I still have to keep on on sidewall maintenance with CA glue to prevent chunking. That's fairly common no matter what make of tire you choose.
Again, I found this to be a lot of extra work and decided to go a different direction. That's a consumers choice. If you can use the information being given here it may assist you down the road. I do like your rims and referred to my current tire choice as having "rims like a Jaco and foam like a CRC" From my perspective, each company has it about half right.
I buy rc4less tires-black(50)frnts;black(45)rears.Great traction,great wear,good rims(even if they are orange).Oh and good prices too
.Havn't had a prob with them and they DON'T CHUNK or peel,and wear like iron.I used to go thru jaco yellows in 3 runs the front jaco blacks were 6 run tires.I like jaco's but ----

.Havn't had a prob with them and they DON'T CHUNK or peel,and wear like iron.I used to go thru jaco yellows in 3 runs the front jaco blacks were 6 run tires.I like jaco's but ----
G'day guys, I have a dilemma that I need some help with.
Yesterday I got my new 1S Lipo's and went to plug it into the GTB 4 Cell installed - and as soon as I plugged it in, it generated so much heat on the connection (deans plug on battery to ESC connection) that is de-soldered the wires on the ESC side of the connection!
Any ideas on what may have happened? I haven't dared to re-solder it and try again. The Battery still reads voltage on th multimeter - so it hasn't been fried. Not sure about the esc though.
Any ideas?
Cheers
NT
Yesterday I got my new 1S Lipo's and went to plug it into the GTB 4 Cell installed - and as soon as I plugged it in, it generated so much heat on the connection (deans plug on battery to ESC connection) that is de-soldered the wires on the ESC side of the connection!
Any ideas on what may have happened? I haven't dared to re-solder it and try again. The Battery still reads voltage on th multimeter - so it hasn't been fried. Not sure about the esc though.
Any ideas?
Cheers
NT



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