The New Werks B6 .21 Buggy Racing Engine!
#4441
Crankshaft dimensions (on the part of it that stick out of the engine) are pretty much standardized in length and width. So it should basically be the same with any brand which is why clutches are basically universal. Where there is variation is in both the length and the taper of the collet provided with the engine. This is why it is usually suggested that you use the collet provided with your clutch/flywheel but if you want to reduce the amount of shims used just find/use a slightly longer collet.
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So, if I install the werks racing pro clutch with the included hardware, could you give me a rough guess on the amount of shims I should expect to use?
Im seeing videos on youtube of people using one or two shims for their setups. Its making me think I have to be doing something wrong with using 1mm(10x .1mm)of shims. Also, with that many shims they act like a spring. So they dont allow the CB to spin completely freely, and there is still some movement in the CB.
Im seeing videos on youtube of people using one or two shims for their setups. Its making me think I have to be doing something wrong with using 1mm(10x .1mm)of shims. Also, with that many shims they act like a spring. So they dont allow the CB to spin completely freely, and there is still some movement in the CB.
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Got my engine started today finally!
Got a replacement starter box wheel. Box is an ultimate racing box, and the wheel in it was bubble gum soft. Luckily the protek surestart box wheel is the same, but a harder compound.
2nd attempt to start the engine was a fail again. I pre heated the engine and then tried to prime it. I was unable to get it to prime, and eventually enough fuel got in the engine that it locked up again. So I let the buggy sit and I stepped away for a little. Came back in about 30min, and I saw the fuel line was full. I think i over heated the engine the first time causing the fuel to boil, because this time I had no issues priming. Just struggled with the compression again. But eventually got the engine started and ran a whole tank. Only had time for one tank this evening, but some progress was refreshing!
Werks, Any ETA on when glow plugs will be available? They are out of stock everywhere I have seen. Will OS plugs or any other brand work?
Got a replacement starter box wheel. Box is an ultimate racing box, and the wheel in it was bubble gum soft. Luckily the protek surestart box wheel is the same, but a harder compound.
2nd attempt to start the engine was a fail again. I pre heated the engine and then tried to prime it. I was unable to get it to prime, and eventually enough fuel got in the engine that it locked up again. So I let the buggy sit and I stepped away for a little. Came back in about 30min, and I saw the fuel line was full. I think i over heated the engine the first time causing the fuel to boil, because this time I had no issues priming. Just struggled with the compression again. But eventually got the engine started and ran a whole tank. Only had time for one tank this evening, but some progress was refreshing!
Werks, Any ETA on when glow plugs will be available? They are out of stock everywhere I have seen. Will OS plugs or any other brand work?
#4449
I have ordered some of the #5 plugs through Ashford Hobby. They're new old stock, and show some small signs of rust, but they work just fine and they're in stock.
#4450
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Got my engine started today finally!
Got a replacement starter box wheel. Box is an ultimate racing box, and the wheel in it was bubble gum soft. Luckily the protek surestart box wheel is the same, but a harder compound.
2nd attempt to start the engine was a fail again. I pre heated the engine and then tried to prime it. I was unable to get it to prime, and eventually enough fuel got in the engine that it locked up again. So I let the buggy sit and I stepped away for a little. Came back in about 30min, and I saw the fuel line was full. I think i over heated the engine the first time causing the fuel to boil, because this time I had no issues priming. Just struggled with the compression again. But eventually got the engine started and ran a whole tank. Only had time for one tank this evening, but some progress was refreshing!
Werks, Any ETA on when glow plugs will be available? They are out of stock everywhere I have seen. Will OS plugs or any other brand work?
Got a replacement starter box wheel. Box is an ultimate racing box, and the wheel in it was bubble gum soft. Luckily the protek surestart box wheel is the same, but a harder compound.
2nd attempt to start the engine was a fail again. I pre heated the engine and then tried to prime it. I was unable to get it to prime, and eventually enough fuel got in the engine that it locked up again. So I let the buggy sit and I stepped away for a little. Came back in about 30min, and I saw the fuel line was full. I think i over heated the engine the first time causing the fuel to boil, because this time I had no issues priming. Just struggled with the compression again. But eventually got the engine started and ran a whole tank. Only had time for one tank this evening, but some progress was refreshing!
Werks, Any ETA on when glow plugs will be available? They are out of stock everywhere I have seen. Will OS plugs or any other brand work?
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Got my engine started today finally!
Got a replacement starter box wheel. Box is an ultimate racing box, and the wheel in it was bubble gum soft. Luckily the protek surestart box wheel is the same, but a harder compound.
2nd attempt to start the engine was a fail again. I pre heated the engine and then tried to prime it. I was unable to get it to prime, and eventually enough fuel got in the engine that it locked up again. So I let the buggy sit and I stepped away for a little. Came back in about 30min, and I saw the fuel line was full. I think i over heated the engine the first time causing the fuel to boil, because this time I had no issues priming. Just struggled with the compression again. But eventually got the engine started and ran a whole tank. Only had time for one tank this evening, but some progress was refreshing!
Werks, Any ETA on when glow plugs will be available? They are out of stock everywhere I have seen. Will OS plugs or any other brand work?
Got a replacement starter box wheel. Box is an ultimate racing box, and the wheel in it was bubble gum soft. Luckily the protek surestart box wheel is the same, but a harder compound.
2nd attempt to start the engine was a fail again. I pre heated the engine and then tried to prime it. I was unable to get it to prime, and eventually enough fuel got in the engine that it locked up again. So I let the buggy sit and I stepped away for a little. Came back in about 30min, and I saw the fuel line was full. I think i over heated the engine the first time causing the fuel to boil, because this time I had no issues priming. Just struggled with the compression again. But eventually got the engine started and ran a whole tank. Only had time for one tank this evening, but some progress was refreshing!
Werks, Any ETA on when glow plugs will be available? They are out of stock everywhere I have seen. Will OS plugs or any other brand work?
#4452
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Yeah, the protek wheel is way better! It did some slipping on the flywheel, but other than the rubber dust in the box, you cant tell by just looking at the wheel. The ultimate one was gone as soon as it slipped. Protek wheels are cheaper as well.
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Ive got 4 tanks through the B6 now. Its still a pain to start until you get a lot of heat into the engine.
Ive got another random question. My glow igniter will not clip onto the glow plug when installed in the engine. Is this normal on a engine with a turbo plug? I have a novarossi roma .25 that has a turbo plug as well. I remember it being a little difficult to get the igniter to clip on the first time, but after that I didn't have any issues.
Ive got another random question. My glow igniter will not clip onto the glow plug when installed in the engine. Is this normal on a engine with a turbo plug? I have a novarossi roma .25 that has a turbo plug as well. I remember it being a little difficult to get the igniter to clip on the first time, but after that I didn't have any issues.
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So I tried running the B6 in my first ever nitro qual. Broke my buggy on the first round of qual, had no issues the 2nd round, and on the 3rd round couldn't get the engine to start. After all the frustrations I decided I was going to convert the buggy to electric. After removing the engine, I noticed a gouge on the piston through the exhaust port. I removed the piston and sleeve to see if I could figure out what happens. Turns out the clip that holds the piston on the wrist pin came out and the engine ate it. Has anyone else experienced this?
I never ran this motor on my own. Only at the track with experienced nitro guys. Other than having issues getting the engine started the first few times, it ran fine for break in and up to the point it failed. It had less than a gallon through it.
I never ran this motor on my own. Only at the track with experienced nitro guys. Other than having issues getting the engine started the first few times, it ran fine for break in and up to the point it failed. It had less than a gallon through it.



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