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03-28-2019 | 11:23 AM
#8626
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- Available In : 24mm Radial type with LT inner, 24mm Pre Cut Slick with LT inner, 26mm Radial with Sponge inner
03-28-2019 | 11:42 AM
#8627
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First, thank you for the link. I see in the description that it states:
- Available In : 24mm Radial type with LT inner, 24mm Pre Cut Slick with LT inner, 26mm Radial with Sponge inner
24026: 26mm Radial type with Sponge inner Set of 4 pcs. | RC-RIDE ENG
24025: 24mm Pre Cut Slick type with LT inner Set of 4 pcs. | RC-RIDE ENG
24024: 24mm Radial type with LT inner Set of 4 pcs. | RC-RIDE ENG
03-28-2019 | 11:48 AM
#8628
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From: Tampa Bay FL
But I agree, confusing when the rules on the gods web site say you can use both 24 and 26mm rims to mount the 24mm tires ... yep we bunch of rednecks going to stretch some 24 rubbers on our 26 rims ... hell might as well add some stance lol
03-28-2019 | 11:49 AM
#8629
03-28-2019 | 11:56 AM
#8630
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03-28-2019 | 12:04 PM
#8631
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Ride offers 3 different tires with different thread/width ... only 24025 is legal, you know its in the rules.
24026: 26mm Radial type with Sponge inner Set of 4 pcs. | RC-RIDE ENG
24025: 24mm Pre Cut Slick type with LT inner Set of 4 pcs. | RC-RIDE ENG
24024: 24mm Radial type with LT inner Set of 4 pcs. | RC-RIDE ENG
24026: 26mm Radial type with Sponge inner Set of 4 pcs. | RC-RIDE ENG
24025: 24mm Pre Cut Slick type with LT inner Set of 4 pcs. | RC-RIDE ENG
24024: 24mm Radial type with LT inner Set of 4 pcs. | RC-RIDE ENG
All kidding aside, curious if you've tried all 3 variants, and, if so, did you notice any differences in handling characteristics (for asphalt, as well as for carpet)? Also, considering the radial (yes, the "non-approved") tire comes in both 24mm & 26mm (even though they use different inserts), have you (or anyone else) tried running 24mm in the front, & 26mm in the rear? As the majority of full-size sports cars & exotics typically have wider rear tires, this seems logical.
03-28-2019 | 12:30 PM
#8635
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I just wonder...when you're driving your tires on the edges like that, how long do they last? It wouldn't surprise me in the least if they have to replace tires on a monthly basis. What's the resale value of such a vehicle? Probably have to PAY someone to take it off their hands.
03-28-2019 | 02:25 PM
#8636
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Also, considering the radial (yes, the "non-approved") tire comes in both 24mm & 26mm (even though they use different inserts), have you (or anyone else) tried running 24mm in the front, & 26mm in the rear? As the majority of full-size sports cars & exotics typically have wider rear tires, this seems logical.
You seem very serious about this, so I'm going to share some facts you won't find in any rules - and this applies to most classes.
1. About 80% of all the races held out there are "club" races. You won't find a tech inspector at 99% of those races. If you are running an illegal wing, or a weird body not on the list, someone may mention it and ask you to fix it before the next race. Nobody is checking anything other than your entry fee, unless you are so fast that you draw the attention of the locals.
2. About 15% of the races held are "Trophy" races - i.e. if you are like me, you pay an elevated entry fee so 10 - 15 other fast guys can get a plastic trophy. They will most likely do tech - basic weight, voltage and blinky. If they have a tire sponsor, you will have to buy tires at the race and they will be marked and checked. i have also seen top 3 finisher cars impounded and tech'd after the race, and one time I saw the race director check voltage after cars were staged for the main - after 5 or 6 laps of warm up?
3.The remaining 5% are National level races and full rules enforcement is in place - pull your motor and have it inspected, body and wing is legal height, etc. You have to be very serious and well funded to get to this level, not something most of us will do on a regular basis.
4. Many in the hobby have been doing this for 10 - 20 years - they will be much faster than you.
5. There are 12 - 16 year old kids out there who have been playing video games their entire life. They have no idea what gear ratio they are running or what roll center is. Their dad bought them a car, and the guy in the hobby shop set it up - they will also be faster than you.
So, based on your aspirations ( fun racing or national trophies ) you may want to evaluate how seriously you want to do this. Not trying to discourage you, but I see your focus and wonder if you would be disappointed after you join in.
Just my observations, based on the last 5 years in the hobby......
03-28-2019 | 02:37 PM
#8637
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Logical, maybe...... in the rules, nope.
You seem very serious about this, so I'm going to share some facts you won't find in any rules - and this applies to most classes.
1. About 80% of all the races held out there are "club" races. You won't find a tech inspector at 99% of those races. If you are running an illegal wing, or a weird body not on the list, someone may mention it and ask you to fix it before the next race. Nobody is checking anything other than your entry fee, unless you are so fast that you draw the attention of the locals.
2. About 15% of the races held are "Trophy" races - i.e. if you are like me, you pay an elevated entry fee so 10 - 15 other fast guys can get a plastic trophy. They will most likely do tech - basic weight, voltage and blinky. If they have a tire sponsor, you will have to buy tires at the race and they will be marked and checked. i have also seen top 3 finisher cars impounded and tech'd after the race, and one time I saw the race director check voltage after cars were staged for the main - after 5 or 6 laps of warm up?
3.The remaining 5% are National level races and full rules enforcement is in place - pull your motor and have it inspected, body and wing is legal height, etc. You have to be very serious and well funded to get to this level, not something most of us will do on a regular basis.
4. Many in the hobby have been doing this for 10 - 20 years - they will be much faster than you.
5. There are 12 - 16 year old kids out there who have been playing video games their entire life. They have no idea what gear ratio they are running or what roll center is. Their dad bought them a car, and the guy in the hobby shop set it up - they will also be faster than you.
So, based on your aspirations ( fun racing or national trophies ) you may want to evaluate how seriously you want to do this. Not trying to discourage you, but I see your focus and wonder if you would be disappointed after you join in.
Just my observations, based on the last 5 years in the hobby......
You seem very serious about this, so I'm going to share some facts you won't find in any rules - and this applies to most classes.
1. About 80% of all the races held out there are "club" races. You won't find a tech inspector at 99% of those races. If you are running an illegal wing, or a weird body not on the list, someone may mention it and ask you to fix it before the next race. Nobody is checking anything other than your entry fee, unless you are so fast that you draw the attention of the locals.
2. About 15% of the races held are "Trophy" races - i.e. if you are like me, you pay an elevated entry fee so 10 - 15 other fast guys can get a plastic trophy. They will most likely do tech - basic weight, voltage and blinky. If they have a tire sponsor, you will have to buy tires at the race and they will be marked and checked. i have also seen top 3 finisher cars impounded and tech'd after the race, and one time I saw the race director check voltage after cars were staged for the main - after 5 or 6 laps of warm up?
3.The remaining 5% are National level races and full rules enforcement is in place - pull your motor and have it inspected, body and wing is legal height, etc. You have to be very serious and well funded to get to this level, not something most of us will do on a regular basis.
4. Many in the hobby have been doing this for 10 - 20 years - they will be much faster than you.
5. There are 12 - 16 year old kids out there who have been playing video games their entire life. They have no idea what gear ratio they are running or what roll center is. Their dad bought them a car, and the guy in the hobby shop set it up - they will also be faster than you.
So, based on your aspirations ( fun racing or national trophies ) you may want to evaluate how seriously you want to do this. Not trying to discourage you, but I see your focus and wonder if you would be disappointed after you join in.
Just my observations, based on the last 5 years in the hobby......
Am I seriously? You bet ya. Do I expect to actually race at a national event? I'd say "yes". Do I care about being "the greatest"? Not even close. I want to enjoy myself, but, at the same time, still "follow the rules" (or, at least as close to them as possible, thus my inquiry about running 24mm front & 26mm rear). Hopefully, you should now have an excellent idea as to where I stand.
03-28-2019 | 03:24 PM
#8638
I wouldn't say I'm "in it to win it". If I ever actually win a race, fan-friggin-tastic. If I place in the top 3, great. If I can make it into an A-main at the club level, then I'm doing really good. If I'm ever good enough to go to a national event, make it into a C-main, and finish, I'll be quite happy.
Am I seriously? You bet ya. Do I expect to actually race at a national event? I'd say "yes". Do I care about being "the greatest"? Not even close. I want to enjoy myself, but, at the same time, still "follow the rules" (or, at least as close to them as possible, thus my inquiry about running 24mm front & 26mm rear). Hopefully, you should now have an excellent idea as to where I stand.
Am I seriously? You bet ya. Do I expect to actually race at a national event? I'd say "yes". Do I care about being "the greatest"? Not even close. I want to enjoy myself, but, at the same time, still "follow the rules" (or, at least as close to them as possible, thus my inquiry about running 24mm front & 26mm rear). Hopefully, you should now have an excellent idea as to where I stand.
Hopefully your club has enuff drivers to have more then 1 main. While following a few now closed semi local track in my area. Most class didn’t have enuff to have more then 1 main.
03-28-2019 | 05:09 PM
#8639
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In my limited time. I’ve never seen anyone run different front/rear tire width In USGT. Most I knew liked to rotate front to rear to help prolong tire life. It is normal in a VTA class.
Hopefully your club has enuff drivers to have more then 1 main. While following a few now closed semi local track in my area. Most class didn’t have enuff to have more then 1 main.
After ROAR officially dissolved the truggy & stadium truck classes (2016), (from what I understand) the local track continued to run them. After time, those competing had diminished to the point that they combined the two, just to have enough people to continue running those vehicles. Unfortunately...and this took place before I bought my Traxxas Rustler 4x4...the numbers continued to drop, to the point that they stopped running that combined class completely. The "funny" thing is, stadium trucks have bounced back...they're selling like hotcakes, but now there's no official class for them.
As for my 24mm/26mm inquiry, it was more "curiosity" than "actual consideration". I asked because, in terms of giving the vehicles a more realistic appearance, that would be one way of adding to the realism.
03-28-2019 | 05:38 PM
#8640
What is the need for this “official” class? All the rules are out there and have been posted. They are pretty clear cut. These are also volunteer run programs, so it might take more than the 7 days since a body was released for it to make it into the approved list.
While many have issues with the pace ROAR moves, the USGT and USVTA organization is pretty quick. But as the rules state, and other have here as well, it is still up to the race director. A body not in the lost may still be allowed.
From what you have shown before, the two tracks you plan on racing will most likely not be anywhere newar the same rule set. One is racing, the other drifting. While you might be able to run the same boday, at a minimum, you will be running difffrent tires and chassis suspension set up. In all likelyhood, you should probably have two different cars considering how dissimilar the types of driving that will be occurring.
I hope you able able to find your place in onroad racing. It’s a blast. And while there may be more technical specs than off-road, don’t get caught in the weeds, just get on the track and have fun.
While many have issues with the pace ROAR moves, the USGT and USVTA organization is pretty quick. But as the rules state, and other have here as well, it is still up to the race director. A body not in the lost may still be allowed.
From what you have shown before, the two tracks you plan on racing will most likely not be anywhere newar the same rule set. One is racing, the other drifting. While you might be able to run the same boday, at a minimum, you will be running difffrent tires and chassis suspension set up. In all likelyhood, you should probably have two different cars considering how dissimilar the types of driving that will be occurring.
I hope you able able to find your place in onroad racing. It’s a blast. And while there may be more technical specs than off-road, don’t get caught in the weeds, just get on the track and have fun.