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11-02-2016 | 09:19 AM
#5656
So something random I found out yesterday to help prove the point a bit about "racing" and things people will do: I just got into cycling / triathlons and found out that if you shave your legs / arms you will save about 70-90 seconds over 40k ride. Guess who will be using his ladies razor when it's race day?!?!
11-02-2016 | 10:23 AM
#5659
Joined: Oct 2004
Posts: 10,638
From: Long Island, NY
Dude the ones that don't either get the $150+ motor for free or just don't care if they win or even come close to winning on a national level ,which is fine ,but let me ask
You and your 2 good friends race together every weekend and all 3 of you are swapping positions on the track every week but none of the 3 are in the A main ,sounds fun that is how me and our friends were in the beginning . But one of the 3 guys goes to a casino and hits a jackpot for big money and decides to buy one of those 200 motors ,and doesn't tell his buddies .. next race days comes up and the guy with the new hp is solidly 6 sec Infront of the other friends and all 3 guys are blown away by its 17.5 like speeds ... So both of these guys finds a way to buy the new motor and now all 3 are back to racing together again . But both of his friends really couldn't afford the new motors so now they only get to the track once a month to offset the cost. Several others notice the speed and want it so they do the same ... And guess what they can't run as often either due to budget ,now the track decides to only run 2 times a month to try to keep everyone's off weekends in line .... And now the track is considering closing cause of light turnout ... Sound familiar to some ? Tho it hasn't been because of a motor but it might be in the near future if Pandora's box don't get a restriction applied soon
You and your 2 good friends race together every weekend and all 3 of you are swapping positions on the track every week but none of the 3 are in the A main ,sounds fun that is how me and our friends were in the beginning . But one of the 3 guys goes to a casino and hits a jackpot for big money and decides to buy one of those 200 motors ,and doesn't tell his buddies .. next race days comes up and the guy with the new hp is solidly 6 sec Infront of the other friends and all 3 guys are blown away by its 17.5 like speeds ... So both of these guys finds a way to buy the new motor and now all 3 are back to racing together again . But both of his friends really couldn't afford the new motors so now they only get to the track once a month to offset the cost. Several others notice the speed and want it so they do the same ... And guess what they can't run as often either due to budget ,now the track decides to only run 2 times a month to try to keep everyone's off weekends in line .... And now the track is considering closing cause of light turnout ... Sound familiar to some ? Tho it hasn't been because of a motor but it might be in the near future if Pandora's box don't get a restriction applied soon
I keep reading about how the fast guys will always be the fast guys. yes, that's true. I even know some fast guys that are so good they can be fast without the best motors.
But this isn't about the fast guys. It's about the guys who are doing everything they can just to go racing. They're happy banging fenders in the middle of the B. The problem becomes when one racer in the middle of the B is suddenly in the middle of the A because he just got this new hot motor. This demoralizes those left in the B because now they know without the best motor they can't even compete in the B. So now they're faced with a choice; buy that new motor, or find another hobby. Enough people are choosing the latter that it's affecting turnout.
The problem isn't the motor companies, the problem isn't the tracks, the problem isn't the organizers, and the problem isn't ROAR. The problem is racers who are more about winning than about having fun. VTA and USGT were made to have fun with more scale appearing bodies than regular touring car. If you wanna race, go race 17.5 touring car. There is fun in that class, because it requires more technical knowledge. But if all you want to do is throw a car together and go have fun, that's what USGT is for.
11-02-2016 | 10:51 AM
#5661
11-02-2016 | 10:52 AM
#5662
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Joined: Oct 2012
Posts: 304
From: Moose Jaw, Saskatchewan
Tamiya black cans ftw!
But unrelated. Anyone got a good setup for a tc5r? I'm using it ctva (21.5) and it's setup pretty good but switching it usgt (cdn version, same weight as ctva and motor) only difference is body and the gravity tires.
But unrelated. Anyone got a good setup for a tc5r? I'm using it ctva (21.5) and it's setup pretty good but switching it usgt (cdn version, same weight as ctva and motor) only difference is body and the gravity tires.
11-02-2016 | 10:59 AM
#5663
Try what you have. I'll bet it's close.
11-02-2016 | 11:09 AM
#5666
I think the time is approaching for a spec motor just for USGT events. Perhaps a manufacturer can be selected by the end of Spring with the motor officially becoming the motor to use by Summer? Use the same method of consistent performance/low price/availability that was used when the Ride Spec tire was selected.
Also spec'ing the esc and battery would be going overboard for now.
I think, by middle 2017, having spec motor and tires and the approved body list would be perfectly reasonable for USGT.
And if the class really grows you could have two classes for the bigger USGT events; 1. a spec motor class, 2. an open 21.5 pro class
I also think a spec motor should;
Still be relatively fast for a 21.5
Under $70 (makes the transition easier to swallow)
open timing (it may be too easy to cheat 'locked' timing)
stator and rotor EASILY identified as spec
Also spec'ing the esc and battery would be going overboard for now.
I think, by middle 2017, having spec motor and tires and the approved body list would be perfectly reasonable for USGT.
And if the class really grows you could have two classes for the bigger USGT events; 1. a spec motor class, 2. an open 21.5 pro class
I also think a spec motor should;
Still be relatively fast for a 21.5
Under $70 (makes the transition easier to swallow)
open timing (it may be too easy to cheat 'locked' timing)
stator and rotor EASILY identified as spec
You could even define an ESC
Hobbywing XERUN XR10 Justock 1/10 Sensored Brushless ESC
11-02-2016 | 11:10 AM
#5667
AAR Cobra used be on here a lot. He's been around r/c cars since 1972. He tells the story of someone at Cleveland (I believe) starting the rumor that breaking the brushes in on a closed endbell Mabuchi motor was best done IN YOUR OWN URINE (previous to this, Windex was the hot ticket). Just goes to show you, some folks will do nearly anything for a perceived advantage.
11-02-2016 | 11:15 AM
#5668
Joined: Aug 2001
Posts: 8,854
From: In a land of mini-mighty mental giants
First its a good thing the Cubs won last night or it could get real ugly up in here....lol.
Im just going to say that what you all are seeing has not gone unnoticed and do not think for a second that we(Rob and I) will favor the top dawg racer over the little guy thats not why this works. This class is as big as it is because of the average racers that enjoy racing this class. For all the effort that that we have put into this and we never make any quick shoot from the hip changes to anything. As you can see we have no problem banning anything if we feel its for the greater good. IF we need have an approved motor list...then guess what we will have one....or if we need a minimum resistance reading we will make one. Rest assured that we will do what we feel is best with the greatest balance and "fairness" as possible.
All that being said....a Spec motor is not a viable option but thats not to say that at a larger event there could not be a handout motor. A handout motor at a larger event seems like a good solution. Who knows maybe at the next big USVTA race there will be handout motors.
Also everyone needs to understand that this is other peoples hobby too. Meaning that just because you choose to enjoy the hobby at your own limits does not mean that the next guy does not have higher limits than you. So if you can only race 2 times a month and spend XX amount of dollars on it but the next guy is able to race 10 times a month and spend XXXX amount of dollars that hes the bad guy. No this is his hobby too and his choice to do with it as he sees fit. IMHO this is the biggest problem with RC racers...we get so concerned with what the next guy is doing and then complain when hes able to do more than we are. Like someone said we are not giving out welfare checks here its not the other guys fault that he can do or spend more than you. Also if someone is able to get a sponsorship or support in anyway that is not their fault that they have this support in most cases they earned it, so it should not be held against them. Any change we make to the rules this will still be true this never changes its always there but to me thats what drives me to keep doing this. To try and beat and compete with the guys that have this "advantage" over me....sometimes I do ok and sometimes I get my teeth kicked in but I dont run and blame them for it I go back and work at it some more.
Im just going to say that what you all are seeing has not gone unnoticed and do not think for a second that we(Rob and I) will favor the top dawg racer over the little guy thats not why this works. This class is as big as it is because of the average racers that enjoy racing this class. For all the effort that that we have put into this and we never make any quick shoot from the hip changes to anything. As you can see we have no problem banning anything if we feel its for the greater good. IF we need have an approved motor list...then guess what we will have one....or if we need a minimum resistance reading we will make one. Rest assured that we will do what we feel is best with the greatest balance and "fairness" as possible.
All that being said....a Spec motor is not a viable option but thats not to say that at a larger event there could not be a handout motor. A handout motor at a larger event seems like a good solution. Who knows maybe at the next big USVTA race there will be handout motors.
Also everyone needs to understand that this is other peoples hobby too. Meaning that just because you choose to enjoy the hobby at your own limits does not mean that the next guy does not have higher limits than you. So if you can only race 2 times a month and spend XX amount of dollars on it but the next guy is able to race 10 times a month and spend XXXX amount of dollars that hes the bad guy. No this is his hobby too and his choice to do with it as he sees fit. IMHO this is the biggest problem with RC racers...we get so concerned with what the next guy is doing and then complain when hes able to do more than we are. Like someone said we are not giving out welfare checks here its not the other guys fault that he can do or spend more than you. Also if someone is able to get a sponsorship or support in anyway that is not their fault that they have this support in most cases they earned it, so it should not be held against them. Any change we make to the rules this will still be true this never changes its always there but to me thats what drives me to keep doing this. To try and beat and compete with the guys that have this "advantage" over me....sometimes I do ok and sometimes I get my teeth kicked in but I dont run and blame them for it I go back and work at it some more.
Last edited by Kevin K; 11-02-2016 at 11:42 AM.
11-02-2016 | 12:18 PM
#5669
Well spoken, Kevin.
I didn't see anything getting ugly, if you mean the current direction of the thread. We are simply stating our opinions and trying to justify our positions. It seems to be a healthy and cordial discussion to me. So far no one has questioned anyone else's lineage or IQ!
Also, please don't confuse our banter as being negative. The whole reason we are having the discussion is because we love the class, and would like to see it remain great, or get even better.
I didn't see anything getting ugly, if you mean the current direction of the thread. We are simply stating our opinions and trying to justify our positions. It seems to be a healthy and cordial discussion to me. So far no one has questioned anyone else's lineage or IQ!
Also, please don't confuse our banter as being negative. The whole reason we are having the discussion is because we love the class, and would like to see it remain great, or get even better.
