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Old 02-15-2016 | 07:16 AM
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Originally Posted by Barsk
Would it be possible for you to write down the actual steps in your guide in a new thread? This thread is out of bounds kind of and trying to read up 141 paggs is too daunting to let new guys in (and me). Especially when you point out that some of the info is outdated it makes it even harder. If you make the first post in a new thread and then keep it updated as the reference post, all the following posts would be discussions around the concept.
I do find your conclusions on the subject very very interesting and the scientific approach is something that I believe in strongly. We just need the concepts layed out in an updated and proper guide. Please?
Honestly, I have no desire to. I don't need to spend my time arguing others who disagree with it or would discredit it because their favorite pro driver doesn't ever have a (constantly changing) setup that looks anything like it.
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Old 02-16-2016 | 02:40 AM
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And if it was a fan made recollection?
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Old 02-16-2016 | 03:33 AM
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Originally Posted by fredswain
Honestly, I have no desire to. I don't need to spend my time arguing others who disagree with it or would discredit it because their favorite pro driver doesn't ever have a (constantly changing) setup that looks anything like it.
How would you feel about putting it together as a PDF, and having those of us who would like to learn from you, want to benefit from your knowledge, and appreciate your effort, contact you for a copy?

I can't speak for everyone, but I'd sure be grateful....
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Old 02-16-2016 | 09:55 PM
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How would you feel about putting it together as a PDF, and having those of us who would like to learn from you, want to benefit from your knowledge, and appreciate your effort, contact you for a copy?

I can't speak for everyone, but I'd sure be grateful....
+1!

Me too!
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Old 02-17-2016 | 08:16 AM
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Sorry guys. That would take a ton of time that I'm not willing to put into it at this point.
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Old 02-17-2016 | 01:37 PM
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I think Fred had already put a load of effort into this thread.

Thanks, it has been very useful in tuning my buggy. Not there yet but am trying to adjust one thing at a time and having read this thread a couple of times it helped me understand the effect each change has - which isn't always what I predicted it would be.
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Old 02-17-2016 | 03:26 PM
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What does changing the link angle do? For example high on the tower and low on the hub
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Old 02-18-2016 | 01:12 AM
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Yep, can't thank Fred enough.

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What does changing the link angle do? For example high on the tower and low on the hub
Check page 1 onwards.
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Old 02-18-2016 | 06:28 AM
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Originally Posted by Nitroflash_2
What does changing the link angle do? For example high on the tower and low on the hub
Increases body roll.
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Old 02-18-2016 | 09:57 AM
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Saying that something increases body roll or decreases body roll is confusing. Especially when decreasing body roll can result in less traction at that end and increasing body roll can result in more. Or maybe it doesn't? Then you also need to consider that a particular setup isn't only based on the track but also the motor used and the speed on that track, which is where things get really confusing. You may find that a higher average roll center works well on a track when you are running a 17.5 in blinky mode but is undriveable on that same track with a 7.5T in unlimited, where you might prefer a lower average roll center.

It's best to stop thinking in terms of increases or decreases body roll in regards to settings and think more along the lines of what is it doing to camber gain with suspension travel and what effects does that have?
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Old 02-18-2016 | 11:43 AM
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Originally Posted by fredswain
Saying that something increases body roll or decreases body roll is confusing. Especially when decreasing body roll can result in less traction at that end and increasing body roll can result in more. Or maybe it doesn't? Then you also need to consider that a particular setup isn't only based on the track but also the motor used and the speed on that track, which is where things get really confusing. You may find that a higher average roll center works well on a track when you are running a 17.5 in blinky mode but is undriveable on that same track with a 7.5T in unlimited, where you might prefer a lower average roll center.

It's best to stop thinking in terms of increases or decreases body roll in regards to settings and think more along the lines of what is it doing to camber gain with suspension travel and what effects does that have?
The question was asked "What does changing the link angle do? For example high on the tower and low on the hub"

I dont believe my answer was confusing at all. It is true that doing so will promote more body roll or weight transfer. Your right if you are arguing however, that it depends upon enough grip from the tyres to cause the leverage for the chasis to roll further.

I agree when you say that settings in a car with a less aggressive motor may be fine in the same conditions where a more aggressive motor will make the car undriveable. High grip astro or carpet are great examples where the rear of the car under hard accelaration can roll over on you or collapse because of an aggressive motor. Thats why its important to understand that a camber link change such as what was asked can encourage less/more body roll or weight transfer.

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Old 02-18-2016 | 12:50 PM
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Can I please just get a cut and dry answer for what going one way does vs going the other way?
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Old 02-18-2016 | 12:58 PM
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Old 02-18-2016 | 01:39 PM
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Originally Posted by Nitroflash_2
Can I please just get a cut and dry answer for what going one way does vs going the other way?
Try these:
https://youtu.be/tWdRQaz_Xq8

https://youtu.be/44AlYI6lSX4
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Old 02-18-2016 | 04:00 PM
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Thanks guys
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