AARCMCC Online Voting??
07-06-2015 | 06:58 AM
#32
The delay is built in intentionally to ensure you can run at least half a season under a stable rule-set.
No one wants to buy all new LiPos, and then find 1 month later they're all obsolete because of a rule change.
No one wants to buy all new LiPos, and then find 1 month later they're all obsolete because of a rule change.
07-10-2015 | 07:38 AM
#33
I may as well keep rustling a few more feathers.
I'm at the understanding that a lot of clubs are voting as a committee and submitting their votes to AARCMCC, rather than go to the actual members. (Assumption)
To eliminate this and grow our sport, surely we can move this to online, (It is 2015)
It would be EXTREMELY easy and cost effective, to utilise a platform such as Survey Monkey, which has a large number of controls to monitor the authenticity of these votes, such as who opened the email, how long they viewed the email for. IP, etc etc etc. You can almost customise your own reports.
Process such as the following,
1. Registration forms are submitted to AARCMCC with persons credentials including email.
2. This is imported in to Survey Monkey, and the recording system that AARCMCC use??
3. The submission is sent out via the platform and voting commences, you put a time frame on when voting for the certain change closes, 2 - 4 weeks, and then based on the results, the submission is declined or implemented.
Surely this is the fastest way forward for "OUR" sport to grow, let's face it there are a lot of "clubs" that are "swayed" by certain individuals / shop owners. And this isn't in the best interest of "OUR" sport.
Mod, can we please put up another poll, purely a yes or no, I am loving the voting synopsis's
Nathan
PS, what's the bet the first argument I get is what about the people without email access, well if you haven't got an email address, I'm surprised you have running water
A way around this is to submit a paper vote and have a one month time frame to return.
I'm at the understanding that a lot of clubs are voting as a committee and submitting their votes to AARCMCC, rather than go to the actual members. (Assumption)
To eliminate this and grow our sport, surely we can move this to online, (It is 2015)
It would be EXTREMELY easy and cost effective, to utilise a platform such as Survey Monkey, which has a large number of controls to monitor the authenticity of these votes, such as who opened the email, how long they viewed the email for. IP, etc etc etc. You can almost customise your own reports.
Process such as the following,
1. Registration forms are submitted to AARCMCC with persons credentials including email.
2. This is imported in to Survey Monkey, and the recording system that AARCMCC use??
3. The submission is sent out via the platform and voting commences, you put a time frame on when voting for the certain change closes, 2 - 4 weeks, and then based on the results, the submission is declined or implemented.
Surely this is the fastest way forward for "OUR" sport to grow, let's face it there are a lot of "clubs" that are "swayed" by certain individuals / shop owners. And this isn't in the best interest of "OUR" sport.
Mod, can we please put up another poll, purely a yes or no, I am loving the voting synopsis's
Nathan
PS, what's the bet the first argument I get is what about the people without email access, well if you haven't got an email address, I'm surprised you have running water
A way around this is to submit a paper vote and have a one month time frame to return.Everyone who races an AARCMCC event, needs a direct yearly membership to AARCMCC, which includes several important things.
One is a numbered membership card issued as a license to race by AARCMCC, this entitles you to race state and national events.
Next is of course a web site that incorporates many things, first and foremost being a direct right to vote on any matter that directly involves you.
Somewhere in all that you also have regional reps, and manpower to manage all that.
Will any of it happen?, probably never, it's like all politics, people like being able to position themselves into power positions where they have more say than others, and like to think their opinions matter more than others, giving them that right, and because of how most positions of power are structured, they will never change no matter how many people have better ideas, or how much people in positions of power abuse their power.
Simple yes?, but it's just an opinion, from something who thinks it's based in pure fact, take it or leave it, I don't really care these days.
07-10-2015 | 05:07 PM
#34
Years ago, I said what I thought made the most sense to directly give everyone who has an interest, a valid and equal say...
Everyone who races an AARCMCC event, needs a direct yearly membership to AARCMCC, which includes several important things.
One is a numbered membership card issued as a license to race by AARCMCC, this entitles you to race state and national events.
Next is of course a web site that incorporates many things, first and foremost being a direct right to vote on any matter that directly involves you.
Somewhere in all that you also have regional reps, and manpower to manage all that.
Will any of it happen?, probably never, it's like all politics, people like being able to position themselves into power positions where they have more say than others, and like to think their opinions matter more than others, giving them that right, and because of how most positions of power are structured, they will never change no matter how many people have better ideas, or how much people in positions of power abuse their power.
Simple yes?, but it's just an opinion, from something who thinks it's based in pure fact, take it or leave it, I don't really care these days.
Everyone who races an AARCMCC event, needs a direct yearly membership to AARCMCC, which includes several important things.
One is a numbered membership card issued as a license to race by AARCMCC, this entitles you to race state and national events.
Next is of course a web site that incorporates many things, first and foremost being a direct right to vote on any matter that directly involves you.
Somewhere in all that you also have regional reps, and manpower to manage all that.
Will any of it happen?, probably never, it's like all politics, people like being able to position themselves into power positions where they have more say than others, and like to think their opinions matter more than others, giving them that right, and because of how most positions of power are structured, they will never change no matter how many people have better ideas, or how much people in positions of power abuse their power.
Simple yes?, but it's just an opinion, from something who thinks it's based in pure fact, take it or leave it, I don't really care these days.
For the record, I currently have no administrative position in RC, and there is no way I would want everyone with a phone and access to the net deciding the future direction of the sport.
Direct AARCMCC membership cuts the club out of decision making. Clubs are the lifeblood of the sport. Decisions made without regard for the clubs will reduce our numbers. Decisions made by current racers who have no obligation to think about what will work for future racers will hurt our numbers. A power structure, any power structure, at least places an obligation on people to think beyond their own interests.
Club committees are accountable to their members for their decisions in a way that individual racers are not. If they make bad calls all the time they'll get voted out.
Increased awareness amongst the racer community of the proposals being voted on is the way to go. With increased awareness comes improved accountability.
07-10-2015 | 11:55 PM
#35
Convoluted processes that end up outright excluding a singles persons say in an end process, is what jades people towards the end decisions, it also frequently gets it wrong enough that it seems to fail as often as it gets it right.
Power structures don't serve to make those think beyond their own interests, 99% of the time they serve to serve their own and their friends interests, why listen to the people, when you can run things the way you and your mates want it, if you have the power to do so, almost no one is truly unbiased when it comes to this in positions of power.
I don't see why people assume clubs or organizations don't get a say when you give more power directly to the people, clubs and organizations are there to guide, suggest, advertise and promote what they think should be done, and for clubs they can choose in the end what they want to run anyway, if they then get it wrong, people are free to go to the clubs that get it right.
Awareness is a big factor, but groups like AARCMCC need to make people directly aware, hence get specific information out directly to the people it effects, best way to make sure of that, is people have direct membership and contact with whomever they are licensed with to race.
F1 is likely a classic example of much of this right now, the drivers hate it, teams hate it, spectators hate it, but the politics of F1, and the powered in control of it still continue to do whatever they want, which is just politics 101.
I have no illusions though that any of it will change anytime soon, or ever, but it serves as a lesson to why something broken will never be fixed.
Power structures don't serve to make those think beyond their own interests, 99% of the time they serve to serve their own and their friends interests, why listen to the people, when you can run things the way you and your mates want it, if you have the power to do so, almost no one is truly unbiased when it comes to this in positions of power.
I don't see why people assume clubs or organizations don't get a say when you give more power directly to the people, clubs and organizations are there to guide, suggest, advertise and promote what they think should be done, and for clubs they can choose in the end what they want to run anyway, if they then get it wrong, people are free to go to the clubs that get it right.
Awareness is a big factor, but groups like AARCMCC need to make people directly aware, hence get specific information out directly to the people it effects, best way to make sure of that, is people have direct membership and contact with whomever they are licensed with to race.
F1 is likely a classic example of much of this right now, the drivers hate it, teams hate it, spectators hate it, but the politics of F1, and the powered in control of it still continue to do whatever they want, which is just politics 101.
I have no illusions though that any of it will change anytime soon, or ever, but it serves as a lesson to why something broken will never be fixed.
07-11-2015 | 12:12 AM
#36
F1 is a terrible example of anything. The process for making the rules includes all the stake-holders in an incredibly convoluted structure that is like no other organisation's. Trying to compare it to the way AARCMCC or any other body makes rules doesn't make sense.
07-11-2015 | 02:05 AM
#37
Our club raced today and we are a new club with only one experienced person on the committee.
We held a long drivers meeting in which i discussed the current topic of stock spec motors/esc and making 21.5 a support class at state and national events and returning it to the feeder status at club level.
I was surprised at the level of support for these changes to occur and would not no this if our club did not have the level of communication that it does.
I don't believe we need to change how the voting system is but more the communication between clubs and there members.
It's not just AARMACC on road that needs a serious kick the you what but clubs that have a responsibility to discuss matters with there members and and respond to AARMACC accordingly.
Maybe its time for a change at the top of onroad????.
Changing it to an individual vote would only work if we all had the same mindset as Daniel in always putting the the good of the hobby before anything else,unfortunately that is not the case and there in lies the floor of going to an individual voting system.
We held a long drivers meeting in which i discussed the current topic of stock spec motors/esc and making 21.5 a support class at state and national events and returning it to the feeder status at club level.
I was surprised at the level of support for these changes to occur and would not no this if our club did not have the level of communication that it does.
I don't believe we need to change how the voting system is but more the communication between clubs and there members.
It's not just AARMACC on road that needs a serious kick the you what but clubs that have a responsibility to discuss matters with there members and and respond to AARMACC accordingly.
Maybe its time for a change at the top of onroad????.
Changing it to an individual vote would only work if we all had the same mindset as Daniel in always putting the the good of the hobby before anything else,unfortunately that is not the case and there in lies the floor of going to an individual voting system.
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