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#4111
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Onroad or offroad, spec classes are always the most expensive to run. Limited hp means having to get the most out of everything else (tires, batteries, vehicle drivetrain, etc), which all costs money. Mod is always cheaper to run. But onroad mod is too fast for most drivers. Offroad, grip is more limited so you can't put down all the hp you have anyway.
#4112
Any MODIFICATION of a motor is Illegal by All Sanctioning Rules - thus if you have to Modifiy the motor for additional timing adjustment - it makes the motor Illegal by Sanctioning Rules -
This happened several years ago with the Original NOVAK SS motors - (which is what helped create a motor w/ Adjustable timing)
This happened several years ago with the Original NOVAK SS motors - (which is what helped create a motor w/ Adjustable timing)
#4113
Our two fastest guys (who are fast in any class they run) did have stellar, certified motors. Weekly the battle for first and second was between those two and the real action was third through eighth. LOL 
But luckily for us, those two guys realized that they are top runners and have decided to take a break from this class to try to revive 1/12 scale pan cars and beef up the 17.5 class. One of them even put his USGT motor up for sale locally to give others a shot and not have any excuses.
I've never been one to blame my equipment for a lousy performance. I might blame setup, but that again falls back to me. I normally blame my lack of consistency and making dumb mistakes. I know the way to improve is to work on my setup and get more trigger time.

But luckily for us, those two guys realized that they are top runners and have decided to take a break from this class to try to revive 1/12 scale pan cars and beef up the 17.5 class. One of them even put his USGT motor up for sale locally to give others a shot and not have any excuses.
I've never been one to blame my equipment for a lousy performance. I might blame setup, but that again falls back to me. I normally blame my lack of consistency and making dumb mistakes. I know the way to improve is to work on my setup and get more trigger time.
#4115
Gravity tires. Take the bead/ridge out of the middle with a Dremel and do a few laps on the asphalt or use gravity tire sanding tool. Both work equally well. Biggest thing is that center ridge.
#4117
It will look better if they all face the same direction, but I have never found any difference in performance no matter which way they face.
#4119
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Joined: Aug 2008
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From: San Antonio, Texas
Last edited by John Wallace2; 06-21-2015 at 05:55 PM.
#4120
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Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 903
From: San Antonio, Texas
Onroad or offroad, spec classes are always the most expensive to run. Limited hp means having to get the most out of everything else (tires, batteries, vehicle drivetrain, etc), which all costs money. Mod is always cheaper to run. But onroad mod is too fast for most drivers. Offroad, grip is more limited so you can't put down all the hp you have anyway.
Last edited by John Wallace2; 06-22-2015 at 10:42 PM.
#4121
Joined: Nov 2001
Posts: 3,823
From: SF Bay Area
There are way more Spec Drivers then "world class mod" drivers. Spec racing has and will always drive the hobby. It's why we have classes like USGT, Street Spec, etc etc etc. It's why we have "blinky" ESCs and Premounted tires. There will always be cost control measures thrown in to try and control the class. But someone will always find ways around the spirit of those rules.This in turn causes people to either feel they need to buy the latest and the greatest to stay competitive, or stop running the class all together. The cycle continues,rinse repeat.
I remember a sign at the first race track my son and I went to: "Speed is measured in cubic dollars; how fast can you afford go to?" After doing this hobby/addiction for 30+ years I'm not sure I agree with you. If you think the world class mod drivers don't obsess over the same details (tires, batteries, vehicle drive train, etc.) as the guys that run the spec classes you simply haven't known a world class racer. Believe me they obsess about those details even more so than us guys who now just run the spec classes. IMO what makes spec classes costly or more costly than it needs to be is lack of quality control of the spec controlled parts (motors, batteries etc.). Take for example Street Spec, a old attempt to control the cost of racing. Good idea - IMO poor implementation. Take the Street Spec motor for example. You had to buy 5 or 10 to find that one that was awesome. Then we (me too) cut the rotor so small that it lasted only a few runs. (OH but you say, those weren't rebuildable motors how can you cut the coms? - my secret and it involve REVTEC com drops). Some realized the foolishness of all of this and pushed for rebuildable hand-wound high quality 19T motors, so instead of buying 10 $50 dollar motors we only had to buy 1 $80 good motor and replaced only that $19 armature instead of buying another 10 $50 dollar motors when the armature got too small.
#4122
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Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 903
From: San Antonio, Texas
There are way more Spec Drivers then "world class mod" drivers. Spec racing has and will always drive the hobby. It's why we have classes like USGT, Street Spec, etc etc etc. It's why we have "blinky" ESCs and Premounted tires. There will always be cost control measures thrown in to try and control the class. But someone will always find ways around the spirit of those rules.This in turn causes people to either feel they need to buy the latest and the greatest to stay competitive, or stop running the class all together. The cycle continues,rinse repeat.
#4123
There is a third option: race with whoever is your speed. As I get older, I find that I don't much care where I finish, as long as I had a good race for that position. On any Sunday, only one guy will win the race, but everyone can have fun.
#4124
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Joined: Aug 2008
Posts: 903
From: San Antonio, Texas
Tell me about it. As I approach the big 7 OH in the not too distant future, blind in one eye and tremors in both hands I'm surprised I can drive as well as I do. The thrill of this has always been about racing someone. Sure its nice to win, but I'd rather race someone bumper to bumper for the entire race and get beaten than win a race by three laps over the second place car. I'd rather slow down and race with a slower car than just go out and just run laps. It's also good practice for me too - driving in traffic. And it helps the slower driver see where his line is slowing him down.





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