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4318LikesU.S. Vintage Trans-Am Racing Part 2
05-07-2014, 01:50 PM
#7066
Well, there were two versions of the GTB2 (normal and low profile). One blinks the white light when in neutral during statup. One blinks the white light light in neutral at all times.
Then there's the GTB2 w/X-Drive. This one is not adjustable at all, and will only blink the white light at startup just to confirm the light works. It doesn't blink at all after that because it's not possible to add timing.
Most other speedos will blink a light when in Sportsman mode. But since these Novak units aren't adjustable at all, they (sometimes) don't.
05-07-2014, 01:51 PM
#7067
"• White status LED blinking. ESC timing is turned ON. ESC is operating normal."
I guess my GTB2 is newer than my friends GTB2. That's why his does not blink.
05-07-2014, 01:57 PM
#7069
Thanks! I looked inside the Novak box to see what version and manual it came with. Inside the box I found a receipt for a "Novak Super-Tuner Brain Board Upgrade #S1746B". I also found a manual that says "Super-Tuner Trackguide" and on it says that profiles 1, 2 and 5 are non-timing with blinking white LED. Profiles 3 and 4 are modified timing profiles.
05-07-2014, 02:00 PM
#7070
Thanks! I looked inside the Novak box to see what version and manual it came with. Inside the box I found a receipt for a "Novak Super-Tuner Brain Board Upgrade #S1746B". I also found a manual that says "Super-Tuner Trackguide" and on it says that profiles 1, 2 and 5 are non-timing with blinking white LED. Profiles 3 and 4 are modified timing profiles.
that started life as a GTB2 x-drive, but whoever owned it before purchased the optional board which, I believe, made it equilvant to a havoc speedo
so you'll have some advantages (ie, dare I say cheat) over other guys running a non-molested GTB2 x-drive
sorry to break the bad news
05-07-2014, 02:05 PM
#7071
Thanks! I looked inside the Novak box to see what version and manual it came with. Inside the box I found a receipt for a "Novak Super-Tuner Brain Board Upgrade #S1746B". I also found a manual that says "Super-Tuner Trackguide" and on it says that profiles 1, 2 and 5 are non-timing with blinking white LED. Profiles 3 and 4 are modified timing profiles.
The brain board? All. 
The adjustability, and usability of the speed control goes way up. You get timing adjustments you never had before, and even for non timing, the firmware is "better". Values and settings are different to give more performance. I hate to use blank terms like Better and Performance, but unfortunately that sums it up. It just performs better.
I don't worry about performance/power upgrades with a driver until they can run a race "clean" with no mistakes. All the power in the world doesn't help until you can run clean.
There are times when the improvement helps you get around the track better, and make less mistakes, so knowing where you are in your skill set or learning curve is key to knowing if you need to spend any money on gizmos. To me, it's always worth it. New "race" stuff always works better in some way. If it didn't our team would run the lower level products also. At times we do, but for real races, we always run the flag ship stuff.
The adjustability, and usability of the speed control goes way up. You get timing adjustments you never had before, and even for non timing, the firmware is "better". Values and settings are different to give more performance. I hate to use blank terms like Better and Performance, but unfortunately that sums it up. It just performs better. I don't worry about performance/power upgrades with a driver until they can run a race "clean" with no mistakes. All the power in the world doesn't help until you can run clean.
There are times when the improvement helps you get around the track better, and make less mistakes, so knowing where you are in your skill set or learning curve is key to knowing if you need to spend any money on gizmos.
To me, it's always worth it. New "race" stuff always works better in some way. If it didn't our team would run the lower level products also. At times we do, but for real races, we always run the flag ship stuff.
05-07-2014, 02:14 PM
#7072
So from what im understanding there is not just remote possiblity of the novaks having timing, but now its being confirmed. Why is there no concern over this? How many people have done and are currently doing this. The HW is locked in no timing and there are no "boards" that give you timing or the option of it, and only fear and conjecture that a software uprgrade may allow it. I think a blind eye has been turned to Novak products due to their initial support of this class. If the GTB2 has the known ability to get upgraded, it should be in more danger of being dropped than the HW that just has rumor.
05-07-2014, 02:19 PM
#7073
So it looks like I can't use this upgraded "Super" GTB2 ESC for VTA racing. Do you know anybody that's selling a VTA-legal ESC?
05-07-2014, 02:20 PM
#7074
whoops. then that's not a legal GTB2.
that started life as a GTB2 x-drive, but whoever owned it before purchased the optional board which, I believe, made it equilvant to a havoc speedo
so you'll have some advantages (ie, dare I say cheat) over other guys running a non-molested GTB2 x-drive
sorry to break the bad news
that started life as a GTB2 x-drive, but whoever owned it before purchased the optional board which, I believe, made it equilvant to a havoc speedo
so you'll have some advantages (ie, dare I say cheat) over other guys running a non-molested GTB2 x-drive
sorry to break the bad news
, because apparently.....
05-07-2014, 02:27 PM
#7077
So from what im understanding there is not just remote possiblity of the novaks having timing, but now its being confirmed. Why is there no concern over this? How many people have done and are currently doing this. The HW is locked in no timing and there are no "boards" that give you timing or the option of it, and only fear and conjecture that a software uprgrade may allow it. I think a blind eye has been turned to Novak products due to their initial support of this class. If the GTB2 has the known ability to get upgraded, it should be in more danger of being dropped than the HW that just has rumor.
I know I asked about it before, right after it came out, and it was shotdown pretty much instantly because it changed the speedo from the gtb2 to (again, I believe) a havoc
so its not as much a blind eye as its a probably never going to be purchased option.
05-07-2014, 02:44 PM
#7078
Does anybody have a Speed Passion Stock Club ESC or a Novak Edge they can sell?
05-07-2014, 02:51 PM
#7079
yes, there was a time when that update board was available. but it only worked with the x-drive version of the gtb2. and now it seems, its no longer available - and cannot even find info about the part on novak's site. so either it was a total bomb, or novak realized what they did damaged the integrity of the gtb2-series and dumped the part, dunno.
I know I asked about it before, right after it came out, and it was shotdown pretty much instantly because it changed the speedo from the gtb2 to (again, I believe) a havoc
so its not as much a blind eye as its a probably never going to be purchased option.
I know I asked about it before, right after it came out, and it was shotdown pretty much instantly because it changed the speedo from the gtb2 to (again, I believe) a havoc
so its not as much a blind eye as its a probably never going to be purchased option.
05-07-2014, 03:07 PM
#7080
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See, this is ridiculous. Why would the blinky only, can't run boost/timing at all, Justock be up for demotion when Novak themselves are sending out ESCs with new boards that CAN run timing?
Just solder in a new board, say its an older GTB2 that doesn't blinky, and you've got adjustable boost/timing in your car.
But somehow these ESCs aren't even being debated because you can't update the firmware. Why update the firmware when you can just replace the whole board and nobody would know?
Just solder in a new board, say its an older GTB2 that doesn't blinky, and you've got adjustable boost/timing in your car.
But somehow these ESCs aren't even being debated because you can't update the firmware. Why update the firmware when you can just replace the whole board and nobody would know?