I absolutely agree with this post. The major problem I see with on-road at HS is that it's on a WEDNESDAY night! Getting home at 1am then getting up at 5:30am for work is not fun. Especially just to play with toy cars. If there would have been a promoted standard weekend program, I don't think this would have been an issue.

Another thing I see mentioned in this thread is running 1/8 e-buggies.. Unless you have a track the size of Flowood indoor, this is not going to be exciting or fun for the 1/8 crowd. Especially with all the great outdoor options in the area. On the other side of that if the track was that large then it becomes a less appealing 1/10 solution. I can already see the threads now... The jumps are too small, lanes too narrow for e-buggies... The jumps are too big for 1/10 buggies...

There are plenty of 1/8 offroad tracks in the area. Nothing that caters to 1/10 electric racing. Stay focused.

First on the agenda, if it were me, would be to get my hobby shop in line and establish a larger online presence. Get some revenue from outside the Atlanta area coming in, instead of being carried solely on the backs of local racer track fees.

+1

No structured weekend racing program killed it for me and other racers alike.

You guys kill me! I see this blame game crap all the time in the music industry..... If offroad where to fail at hotshots I have no one to blame but MYSELF. To even consider blaming Brad and HotShot crew is crazy, he handed you guys a very nice track in the Town Center area, indoors, well stocked hobby shop and you guys turn around and blame him for YOUR scene's for lows y turnout. The only person in OnRoad that has gone out of his way to promote is Will, his reports where awesome and he worked at getting folks to transfer to onroad. (but you need more than Will and couple others to make it happen)

You have to do more than talking about fixing the problem to make it work, all I hear is chatter!

lets face it, the offroad track is there because we made it happen, the entries are increasing and we have spectators because we made it happen.

I have no problem with Onroad racing or anyone who want to be an 100% onroad racer, but I am too excited to have an indoor offroad track rock throwing distance from me, and the only thing threatening its existence is MONEY.

I don't believe this to be true.Look at the numbers before and after clay for onroad.If there is a drop it's only one or two.It didn't kill the onroad there just isn't a good following for onroad in Ga.

I'm going to cut you some slack because I know you're a semi intelligent guy

You're right, you guys made the offroad track happen.

We're consumers... We pay entry fees to race. From this point of view it's not up to us "make" things happen. It's up to us to decide what offers the most amount value for our dollar and our time. One big offroad track or one big onroad track is really not the point. It's the overall product being sold.

I was merely illustrating why the onroad product may have been struggling and attendance declining.

The offroad track is still new and has interest from the community. I see no reason not to try and capitalize on that. The thought of having a place to race this summer without fear of rain or sunburn is appealing.

Hotshots is the only hobby shop I have walked into, this state or any other, that has onroad kits and parts readily available. Almost every shop is full of rtr off-road vehicles as the largest group of RC drivers in general is, and always will be backyard bashers. They like being able to go outside and drive their cars in the street or yards. My point behind this is that if they hear of a track they can run their cars on they would be more inclined to show up and that's a positive, especially since they can't drive on the carpet track bc they had a piece of grass on their cars. We have already seen new faces in Hotshots since the clay has been put in. If you open an Rc car magazine you may see one onroad car and 10 off-road. Off-road is just where this hobby is in the USA. Manufacturers see this, why can't other people realize the same thing.

As for all the comments about off-road guys will be going outdoors in summer, I'd say 80%+ of the racers at hotshots do not race outdoors. It's often too easy to point fingers anywhere but the real problem, but to say they won't show up is the same as saying the onroad guys will. There is no gurantee, but as it is in this hobby in general, off-road is the money maker whether it's racing or bashing due to numbers. I would like to see more comments from the onroad group as well as the off-road with economical ideas to help the tracks rather then all this arguing. Instead of getting all of your panties in a wad come up with ideas to help Hotshots succeed no matter what track or tracks he has. Will was on track with all his reports stirring interest again. Brad didn't kill onroad, Hotshots didn't kill onroad, and the clay didn't kill onroad. Lack of support is why it is what it is period. For the longest time the off-road was the smaller group, but change the track and all of a sudden it's the larger. Making the change to clay was a good economically inclinded idea and now Hotshots as a business has started to level itself back out.

I'm not against onroad but the way it has been portrayed by some of these comments makes me glad I decided to put my TC back on the shelf. All this bickering can only be turning drivers of either genre off from coming to Hotshots.

So back to the Wednesday night survey.......

HS, off road , have a sat or sun series , at least for those who
Have to work mon fri , Sunday just has to be a given for business
Anymore , run on Sunday sell on Monday always has always will,
Indoor off road dedicated 10 scale ticket plenty places to run
8 scale and for those work at night week night races not happening

We all know that this situation took a long time to get this point. Trust me I'm not saying nor do I think anyone else is saying anything wrong here. Off Road is bigger in Georgia. On road is smaller... When on the other side looking in the choice is obvious. But a few of us still believe it could have been better.

I'm very verbal about this but I'm also not stupid and know that if he does make the change I see the positives. I do race off road and prefer indoor tracks.

I love on road and see so much potential about to be ripped up. The racers you guys are seeing post on here are all the original players who have never given up on Brad and have been racing her since the beginning. Nobody is bickering we just wanted our voices to be heard. Especially since most of us buy our onroad stuff from Hotshots.

All I want to know now is, are we going to have The Top Gun Challenge in April or not? I need to know so I can plan for the onroad races I will be traveling to and still race off road at my home track which is still Hotshots. .......

I would like to know this too. If its going to happen it needs to start planning now. As in letting people know its going to happen. Putting out the flyer a couple weeks before the event and rc signup a few days before the event will not help at all.

Ill show up to run wednesdays if i dont have stuff early thursday.

I also dont go outdoors, if hotshot were to pack it in, I'd stop racing my buggy. I do it merely out of connivence to myself and because I enjoy it. When one of those things stops happening, I stop going. Plus car shows.

Worst, least informed and most incorrect post ever. Shon, pm me if you want to discuss. Will please stop feeding this. Brad will make the decision he feels is best.

Adam, this whole thread needs to be deleted.

+1 then +10

I like frogs....

Cannot agree with your more, competition in the market creates the best facilities! A full size indoor offroad track in metro ATL "IS" the most lucrative option, hands downs!


No need to PM, if I am so misinformed just tell me right here......

This thread sounds like the Should-a Could-a Would-a 500, hahaha!

You cannot build any world on excuses!

If anyone is taking this personal or getting upset enough to have this thread deleted, take a step back and realize that this is a simple discussion. Brad asked if any of us offroad guys would come out on WED, because he is thinking about shutting down the onroad side, so everything here in these post's are on topic. You guys leave yourselves wide open to criticism when you play the blame game!

From the last time I checked we are all adults, we should be able to have a conversation in a thread without it getting shut down b/c of someone's ego getting the best of them. I mean shoot, Curtis called me semi intelligent, which means half dumb to some folks, but i know that was not what he meant by it ( I hope , hahaha). So if you are reading between the lines, trust me there is nothing there, just me simply pointing out YOU make reality what it is by voicing then DOING!