Not meaning to clutter up the mini thread here but it seems to be getting a bit of interest and reader traffic, so I will ask or maybe someone more involved with the Sunday program can start a thread on the subject.

Mod touring car? I know I have been an advocate of the 17.5 class in the past and I would like others opinion on this or at least a discussion. Yes the clean and close racing of spec classes is awesome and Stan and others have stated why previously in this thread and I get that. A few months ago Jason made a switch to running mainly mod classes and has really enjoyed the challenge of controlling the horsepower along with the other aspects that comes with racing. I think he enjoys the challenge, frustration, speed and feeling of achievement that comes with it beyond spec or stock racing. If you guys now have a couple entry level classes established is it maybe time for a couple others to give an advanced class a try? Would it hurt the other classes or attendance? Thoughts?

Thanks, Keith.

I hate doing the +1, but +1.

It would be pointless to bring back 17.5 blinky sedan. We now have a beginner class and an intermediate class. Now we need one for real men (or 11 year olds ). Doesn't have to be "mod" necessarily, could be 10.5 open esc or something. Or F-it mod, I don't care, I hate slow blinky. It's very difficult to cheat in mod rubber sedan.

Mini is fun. I pretty much don't care who wins at this point, I prefer the smile I have leaving the stand. I go with 21.5 blinky because it'll run forever and not need a motor for years.

Crazy math time!

On the ABC front, not taking sides, the Genetic did have stock gearing out of the box. It did give a slight rollout bonus with the Stock 67 spur, stock 32 pinion to the M06s. Gear ratio was at 5.23 FDR, Rollout @ 1.20. Weight should be checked also. Mind you with a 21.5 extra weight doesn't really hurt, but they should at least be equal. Internal ratio of the car is 2.5.

Genetic Gearing:

If the car has a:
27 pinion = 6.20, rollout 1.01 (Sweep tires)
28 pinion = 5.98, rollout 1.05 (Sweep tires)
29 pinion = 5.78, rollout 1.09 (Sweep tires)

The mini is stated to be 5.8 FDR, 1.08 (Sweep tires) with the largest spur. I'm sure some experimentation will clean up any differences.

If we want to see what the car really has, put in a 28 pinion, take all the timing off the motor and let Tim drive it back to back with anyone's M06. John's little dyno would prove top speed at WOT and is a pretty elegant solution.

Oh, I forgot, I actually had fast lap with my M06 in the main...before the rear camber plate collapsed (I crash... a lot). I know some people like to minimize fast lap, but it shows the potential. Took us a while to figure out why I had no rear ride height and -10 degrees of caster.

Wenz and I were not that far off the pace, or Aaron for that matter, he just made some boo-boos.

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Tell you what Stan, let's race with me driving your $500 MO6 & I'll donate for you to use an MO5.
Last Sunday, I won by only a half lap. Didn't John W. have the fastest lap time & doesn't that make his car Superior?
Let me make myself clear: I will not buy another Mini car. Maybe we should all change to the affordable ABC car? Didn't we all go to Mini & F1 because the touring cars are more complicated & expensive? Then you talk about a new $600+ Tamiya 417? When is this going to end? When people stop showing up to race?
In all my years of racing, I have never seen a club pick on a certain brand of car. Do you want everyone to have a Tamiya 417 so we can be just like you?
Also, thank you for the definition of the word decimate. That's a really big word & it saved me a lot of time having to look it up in my dictionary.

Kind of like a Baconator...but not really...

Tried all sorts of gearing and different (smaller and bigger) tires. Conclusions so far, it does a pretty good job of predicting the motor kv. ie relatively constant kv back calculated from gearing, tires size, etc.

21.5 kv range 1700-1800 at stock timing (whatever that is on a Turnigy). Max timing gets it to 2000 kv.

It does NOT predict or measure motor POWER or acceleration, only top speed. But if anybody is curious about their cars top speed, try it out.

We can sort this out on Sunday before the March Maddness in two weeks.

Caesar I think you are missing the point. There is nothing wrong with buying what you want. What is wrong with buying a 417 to race in sedan? As long as I don't race it in F1 or mini it is fine.

Don't you see we are trying to start sedan again. There should be enough mini for a class even if the few faster drivers goes back to sedan. It's almost worked.

I didn't stop racing sedan because of the cost or the complexity. I stop racing sedan about two weeks after some one blew their motor.

It doesn't matter if you win buy a hair line you are driving a non-mini chassis. For the record we didn't tell you that you can't buy the F1 of your choice. The only thing we said was it can not be wider than 190mm. I said it before and I'll say it again, if you want to race the chassis of you choice please do so in sedan. Why didn't you ask before you were going to buy that chassis?

So where do we draw the line guys. I tell you guys what, to make it easier why don't we just run open everything and see how well things go. Open F1, Open Mini, Open Sedan.

So what are the rules again?

Caesar,

You're going to do what you're going to do, and you've proven that time and time again, regardless of what the rules are - written or not.

The name of the very thread we are all posting in is "tamiya m chassis class." That is the class I'm interested in. If you choose to make it something else, aparently no one is interested in stopping you. Do as you like, you will anyway under any guise (look it up in your own dictionary) or excuse. like cost, which is absurd and everyone knows it. By the way, you've got $500 in electronics alone in your "Mini," and you claim this is about cost? Tell me you have a better defense than that?

I had hopes of this class self teching...M-Chassis, 21.5/silver can, agree on tires, fixed gear by design. The same general rules that every Mini class in the country has. You want to do your usual "see what I can get away with. Really? You want to tech everyones car on a dyno before racing? Tell me you're kidding? Who's going to take the time to do that? Clearly a majority support your efforts. Awesome...but I've choices to, I'm not interested. I'm just one individual, won't matter to the class a bit.

Keep running the program like a wild west, where folks coming to compete at out track, or those going to compete at other tracks have no expectation of rules, or a general sense of fair competition, and you'll knock us back to the six man circle jerk it has been in the past. Maybe you're looking to go back to a six person on-road program that doesn't even have enough for two heats to marshall, we'll, that's one option. With this kind of nonsense, you'll be there soon - again.

I think a restatement of rules is in order for the class so visitors are not misinformed when they inquire as to what is allowed and what is not. I thought it was so cool to see Janet out there having a blast and we need that kind of fun being shown to the rest of the non-rc world.

Sedan - Just make it open. Open timing, open esc, open battery, open tire, open chassis and any motor you choose. We'll see everyone running 17.5 boosted on our track as any more power than that will not make it to the ground efficiently. And that is not a bad thing.

Stan & Vang- you guys are not getting it. The ABC is the way to go for anyone that is new. Also, John Colombo will not buy an MO6 because of the price but he would buy an ABC. I was talking with a guy on Sunday that said he would rather get an ABC too.
This is a club not a TCS. We do not need everybody to buy a Tamiya and discriminate against other brands. Please, stop talking about Tamiya because I am not buying one. Nobody cares about the TCS.
I think we should have no tire rules. But if we do, we should buy Sweep tires- they’re cheaper & they do work. I’m willing to compromise on the gear ratio & weight only if there is a difference.
Let’s have fun & race. Who cares who wins.

You are right Cesar why should you have to compromise on anything. There are no written rules regarding gear ratio or weight. In fact, no rules has been written down at all.

I'm glad some one was able to clarify the mini rules. Good luck with open mini racing.

When you've adjusted the rules to what you've just purchased, which is in direct oppostion to what everyone else purchased, let those interested know.

No matter, it would seem this issue is solved...You now have at least three that want to run an...

open/mod mini class;

any chassis
any weight
any gearing
any tires
any motor? - your call, more than likely 17.5, as that's what you ran in F1

I'm simply not interested in that right now, how much clearer do I need to be. The ABC kits are awesome, wouldn't mind having one myself, as are other mini scaled kits. Wouldn't mind a Corally Mini-Assassin, always wanted one. I'd pick one up in the future to race with you guys.

Tamiya M-Chassis class;

Tamiya M-Chassis (odd having to re-state this) exluding the M-04
1250 grams minimum
fixed maximum gearing by design (20T pinion, fixed gearbox)
21.5 or 540-J/Mabuchi silver can
agreed upon tires (I prefer Tamiya as they come in most kits to keep cost down, but whatever)

The Tamiya M-Chassis class seems like good close racing. Should anyone want to do that, I'll bring my M-06.

If we're going to start dividing the classes, we should just give everyone their own class and be done with it. That way everyone wins, no-one can cheat, and there are always plenty of marshals...



So what, a few people don't want to buy a tamiya mini. Stop being butt hurt about it and race f1 or VTA.


There are posted rules for the classes. They are on the drivers stand.

i love comments from people who dont race Sundays or dont own a mini !!!

I would think that Cesar running a slightly better chassis would be good practice for the guys that want to attend TCS races. If you can catch him, you will probably do even better at the official TCS races. I could be wrong, but I think that is the goal for a few of you. It's Win-Win for everybody.