Honestly, that's what bothers me most - Caesar IS one of the fast guys. I was really, really, really looking foward to racing with Tim, Matt, Mike, John, Giovani, Vue, Aaron AND Caesar - all with similar chassis, tires. motors. fixed gearing. Just driving...blow a line and your off pace. How freaking fun that could be! Caesar doesn't NEED a superior chassis to win, that's the rub of it all. He's a good driver...why step out of line and jump the fence?

The slower guys? Can't wait to see the epic battles! Soon they aren't slow anymore...that's the goal no? Having someone to race with on an even playing field?

Simple, undeniable fact that is indisputable - ready for it? Drum roll...

The ABC chassis that Caesar purchased is far and away a superior car, in every measurable way, to any, any of the M-Chassis versions, period. Be it an M-01 through the M-06.

So is that our ultimate goal? Who can bring a semi-aitomatic to a knife fight? That the kind of sportsmanship you want to foster?

That was the beauty of the M-Chassis in the first place. Yes, I bought the hop-ups, most of which do NOTHING for speed, in fact the aluminum is heavier, and in some cases does add durability. Go to a TCS race - I got my keester handed to me by a bunch of guys that didn't put a single hop-up on the car that didn't make it go faster. Aluminum is more dense than plastic fellas, it's heavier. I think it looks cool - doesn't make me go faster.

Vue has little more in his M-06 than shocks and bearings. He qualified one second, one second behind the many time TCS regional champion. Erik Whippler. Wanna see a mini go fast? Watch Erik wheel a mini...

There are a few things that are essential. like shocks and bearings. Give T-Mac those "essentials" and he'd hang with anyone. Anyone care to debate that? The cool thing is, when we are running the same car, it levels things a great deal - makes you feel like at least you've a chance.

Not jumping ship on F1, I own two of them and will continue to race the class as long as there is me and two others.


Not true, or at least you need to stop thinking that way. You have the skill Zac, you don't focus as you should.

It's less about the chassis and more about the intent. If you already had the car, tough to tell you to pitch the rig and buy something else. Chad and John had those cars, different circumstance and skill level. With everyone else on the same page, from what looked like to me a common goal, why do that? I mean, Mike Wenzel has superior tires and wheels to the Tamiya tires and wheels. The moment the Tamiya tires became available again, he threw them on because he knew we were all going to run Tamiya tires to make it more even and remove the rubber of the week chase - that keeps people in the hobby.

Over it I guess, saw an opportunity that clearly wasn't there...

Outch! And all this after I geared my Goose to Mini levels. I've had it for just over a year. I picked it up before I heard about the M06 being out or I'd have had one of those instead. I put my old VTA electronics in it to get more practice laps with a car that requires a perfect line over pure speed. I tend to collect rather than sell stuff that I don't run, I don't mind getting an M06. Getting an M06 is on my to do list anyway. I'm not against putting Tamiya tires on my current car, but I do still have 2 more sets of the super cheap Sweep premounts to burn through. In my defense, I bought a cheap car that needed only sway bars and springs to have some fun with. I had always seen so many broken Minis when they raced at RCP and the Goose looked bullet proof. Cost of replacement was half. I never thought I'd race it, but here we are.

So, let's spec the motor, insert and tire. Yes, tire stuffing is a rollout advantage. Restrict on rollout for those that can gear differently or may be running different sized tires, like me, as mine are slightly smaller. Granted Cesar's car is different, but it can be equalized. I spoke with him earlier and he's willing to put a mabuchi in his car and gear accordingly. He wanted me to make it very clear that he is not trying upset anyone and just wanted something different. He is running the electronics he removed from his F1 at the moment. Same motor, same ESC.

I propose a gearing Penalty: 2 pinion teeth smaller for the rest of the day. 4 if you're still to fast.

Too soon?

Didn't even need to go to the hardware store.

There is no mention in our unwritten rules of which kit or electronics to have. My car meets the specifications of our unwritten rules. If the rules are going to be modified as we go, what’s the point?
It’s not fair to outlaw certain brands. I was thinking about buying a Serpent F1. Will that be outlawed too?
Tamiya is expensive & is not my first choice of car. Also not everyone has the money to spend $500 on a Tamiya mini. If we are trying to attract new racers, $170 sounds much better for a car that works & is almost ready to go.
One more thing from this beginner: Cheating? REALLY? I don’t need to cheat to win. How about I make sure to finish last next week.

You are the only one modifing the unwritten and understood rules - the rest of us are following the rules. Rules don't need to be written to be understood and followed. Have you heard of Sportsmanship?

I just bought a M06 with all the required hop ups for Tim - It was $180 and it comes with Tires, Motor, Body, ESC all that is needed is a servo & receiver.

So you cant play the it was cheaper card.


Prove it!!

FYI -- That is called Sandbagging and is considered unsportsmanlike!!

Yes - Really!! I cant believe it myself.

The funny thing is as of right now I don't posess a Mini and I have never driven one. I have simply seen a foul I am calling it as I see it.

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Here we go again. I can think of at least 3 people that have at least $300-$500 in their MO6. Maybe the Kyosho RB6 should be outlawed. That car is Superior to the rest. Sweet dreams everyone.

The RB6 is not faster. I beat all but 1 at trackside last week, and he was 1s in front of me. With my vintage RB5...

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Caesar...

it's a superior chassis, you win. No one is disputing that. You are one of our fast drivers. If you have that kind of advantage, you will more than likely win every week. Sure, a "race thing" could force a second place finish, but by and large that car is enough of an advantage, that clearly makes fair competition with everyone else in this class uneven - by a huge margin. Everyone knows you can purchase a better "Mini" size chassis. If there were no implied chassis rules, I would have purchased a Corally Mini-Assassin - wanna play now?

Let's let the results prove the point;

You bought an M-05 and finished in the B-Main both weeks (you owned the M-05 for just two weeks).

You run the ABC Genetics, and the first week out you decimate the entire field?

dec·i·mate

Verb

1. Kill, destroy, or remove a large percentage of.
2, Drastically reduce the strength or effectiveness of (something): "plant viruses that can decimate yields".

I don't make this stuff up...that chassis isn't even in the same class. And the most dissapointing thing is - that you knew it. You had an M-Chassis kit, couldn't win. In stead of working on it, you simply chose to do a Harrison Ford and shoot the guy with the whip. A double decker, 4WD chassis with unlimited gearing? Seriously?

Thing is your M-05 was fast and had awesome corner speed. You built the thing in the pits and raced it the same day for crying out loud. I mean, a little love and you would gave been there. Geez, you had no shocks and no bearings in that car. Who was the guy cheering you on when you were wheeling that thing like you stole it? Even so, if you didn't like the M-05, why not the M-06 like everyone else - M-Chassis car?

John / Chad,

I've absolutley no issue and have had no issue with those that HAD kits and were good enough to help us grow the class. Nor are you guys in the top five fastest drivers, where a small andvantage makes a big difference and a large advantage is simply unsurmountable. I've stated this clearly. Whatever the Goose was geared at, tires whatever, seemed more than fair. Again, intent counts here - you HAD the car before we started the class, as did Chad. Not even remotely the same argument. Chad even picked up an old M-02 I think...huh, someone understood the intent no?

C'mon Caesar, spending money on RC has never been the issue with you or me. Most if not nearly all of the blue on my M-06 has nothing to do with going faster. Tell ya what...you pick up an M-05/M-06 from Blain and I'll pinch for shocks and bearings? Sell that swanky 17.5 with the ceramic bearings and hand wound stator, and you'll have money left over for the kids college. Between your motor sale and my donation, I suspect you can still put food on the table.

In Ceasar's defense I do remember him talking about how cool some 4wd mini thing was about 2 years ago and I think it was the ABC thing. I think with the growth of your mini class it probably just gave him an excuse to actually buy one. As for not wanting to invest in any sort of Tamiya vehicle I can understand that perspective having tried to maintain a couple on and off road Tamiya vehicles for Jason in the past. It is nice to hear of the addition of the different class options for the clubs Sunday program. Does any one have a guess as to when this all will come full circle and you will be racing sedans again?

Keith.

They're already talking about it...

Keith mine should be ready by the next weekend.

There is a lot of noise about VTA to Keith. I think there are 8 or 10 of those that could break out at any time too.

Hmm...I think you are talking about me. I didn't see anyone else running a RB6 in the A-main that was in front of you.

16 5:14.152 is more than 1 second faster than your 15 5:11.428.

Now back to your regularly scheduled program.

It does not matter what Cesar does. If all of the rest of us run a Mabuchi or brushless / 21.5 - blinky who cares. The racing will be close with us and if a few racers choose to not participate oh well their loss. Cesar had his center shaft removed and was 1 lap faster than my blinky mini on his first day out. I would guess that he would be 2-3 laps faster with the center shaft in. We have a good group of Minis and F1 racers that appear to be growing. We should do everything we can to grow the group and help racers get their Tamiya Cars competitive and keep cost down. There is some startup cost associated with anything, but in the long run the rubber tire minis and F1 will be very affordable. I expect a set of tires will easily go a season and the cars seem very durable. There are many positives to take away from this. One bad apple does not spoil the whole barrel.

I am not against progress, It's just all these changes that have me going .