Wouldn't buying the same car that everyone else puchased been much easier, serving the intent of the class?

Like nine of us did?

I don't know. I remember the old days in "Stock 27T". Literally some cars were twice as fast as others due to motor building skills.

As a beginner class that we are trying to build (I assume) we might not want to be so exclusive. There are a few "Mini" type vehicles that fit the spirit of the class. A 1/12 foam pan car does not fit the spirit of the class.

Maybe I'm not clear on what the intent of the Mini class is? We all know that no two motors are the same, batteries vary, better servos are, well, better.

Should it be a cost limited beginner class? I don't know.

Well, I bought a M05 and a M06. I decided to build the M05 first since I was used to the M03. After driving that Zamboni all day, I drove Aaron's M06 for a half of a lap. Yeah, totally different animal. The M05 is far more challenging, so that in turn make me the best driver of them all. I mean come on. Anyone can drive rear wheel drive,but it takes a man's man to drive when the front wheels are spinning. After all, I did come in last, but the ice looked clean behind me.

OK, enough BS. Time to build the M06

How about a "buy out" rule. Anybody can buy somebody elses Mini roller for $150? (or whatever is decided on)

C'mon...

It's one thing for someone to want to run in a "similar" class when they already own the car - I get that. Caesar purchased this car after eveyone else did.

Is Caesar a beginner? He deliberately bought a chassis different than everyone else with the sole purpose of obtaining an advantage. That chassis is a double decker, 4WD sedan chassis. Not remotely simlar to the Mini's.

Beginners mistake to run a 17.5 for weeks on end in a 21.5 F1 class with people asking why his car is so much faster than everyone elses?

Clearly the intent was to run as "spec" as is reasonable M-Chassis class.

Buy out rule is an interesting idea...

There is always a push for a 'drivers' class where chassis are equal, but no matter what the class, the fast guys are still going to win.

I know that the only way I can win is to make my car handle better than everyone else's or find some speed secrets that no one else knows. I'm ok with that, but I'm not going to buy the chassis/motor/battery of the week just to race.


We could be racing tamya grasshoppers, tim would still be the fastest, Stan would have all the hopups, ceaser would run a 540 motor, and I would still be 1/2sec off...


I bought an F1 because it was the most popular class, everyone jumped ship to mini's, now there's talk of moving to sedans... I've seen this happen before. It's good fun until people start running out of $$ and stop showing up.


The class may change, the finish order doesn't...


@ceaser
Why would you even think that would be allowed??

Stan - If you only knew!!!

I was pissed and am still pissed - Not only did he go against the "spirit of the class" in my mind but he was running a $250 esc, an Orca or something I had never heard of and a Trinty D3.5 21.5 turnmotor with a different end bell ??

I asked him why he bought an ABC car to run in the Mini class - he said his car was only $150 - implying it was cheaper?? but his ESC was $250??

I am sure all who were present could tell I did not approve -- not to mention the very defensive attitude Cesar had about the subject.

We all know exactly why he bought a none spec car - he apparently needs to win badly enough that he feels it necessary to push the line of cheating - I feel he has crossed that line!!!

Stan - Bring that 1/12th scale, I'll drop a Mini body on it and I should be good to go -- Right?? The group needs to determine the class guidelines and enforce them. Why should we allow Cesar to wreck our fun?? We shouldn't!!!

Oh - I forgot the kicker!!

His car is 4 wheel drive!!! Why on earth would he buy a 4 wheel drive car to run in the Mini class?? He did have the front dog bones out, but still why??

If the endbell was orange, it was probably the one I let him borrow so he could run the motor in his F1.

I actually like where this all seems to be heading. Next up, foam tired mini class!

Keith.

I agreed. It is time for the hammer to come down and nail some rules. So what should the rules be?

John, I'm happy to have penalties added to the winner. What should they be?

So what if we required non Tamiya be fwd. Because of the fixed gearing in Tamiya, either fwd or rwd could be used. But any other brand, must be fwd.

Do you guys know why they outlawed the M04? Because it was able to take a 21 tooth pinion vs 20 for the others. So why should we allow a chassis that can be geared even taller?

Let's leave the mini class as spec as possible. For those that wants to run different chassis let's go back to sedan. I should be ready to play again. My sedan is on it's way here. Mod, Stock, 13.5 or smoking motors I will be ready soon.

A voice of reason.