And the RC8B was also an upgraded/tweaked RC8...so we are 3 generations in now on essentially the same platform...which was first released in January2007! So to say that a 5 year old buggy with all the tweaks already installed is a winner "out of the box" is an interesting statement.

Look at the Losi SC...it is an 8ight with different suspension geometry....heck, you can even turn the thing into a nitro SC since the chassis has all the holes cut for your flywheel, etc... so it is kind of a "generation 2.5" of a design that is even older than the RC8...

The SC104x4 is Gen 1...anything Gen 1 has potential for more performance.

I can't believe this argument is still going on...