i ran the alpha .24 last season and was the best engine ive ever owned, and i only buy top notch stuff, so that bein said and if i wasnt runnin os and handed fun stuff for them to try, id still be runnin orion, hands down...most people that think they know wuts goin on, dont know squat...hell, idk squat myself, but every orion ive ever even seen was night and day better than all the nova's west of the mississippi! and like paul said...back to ur regularly scheduled program...