You're missing the point, oval and more lumps alot of other vehicles in with 5th scale on and off road, which doesn't matter to you here because this forum is dedicated to one specific type of vehicle. I'm sure you wouldn't like it if other r/c vehicle enthusiasts chatted here because you would have to sift through all of them to get to a topic you're interested in, not to mention how lame it is when more than two types of vehicles are being discussed at once. Is there no room for a couple more forums?....thanks for responding though...WHO's IN CHARGE HERE?