Hmmmm i bet if ae copyied the RC8B/RC8T and just shrunk it down then they would be way ahead of the 4x4 sc game also with a race proven design it makes it that much more easy for losi to fine tune for the big race ect.. As with ae they have a ground up innovative design that still has itsflaws and has to be tweeked .. give it time.. Wonder what the result would be with if losi did the them same?