crazy that im saying this but .....the ve8 truns and handles so good if set up right ...being that the serpent has a flip motor in the front and everything stuffed into the front with the dual 2s nice and neat in the rear ...i just have to think this thing is just going to be a world beater in eletric 8th scale ....i always wanted to try a ve8 after driving one ...but couldnt pull the trigger because of wear and tear and parts replacement ...the serpent will have the same quality everything as the s811 i think we are in for a treat