light truggy, heavyish buggy .... however the OD truggy feels light when driving it so handles very nice and stable and will turn on a dime with the buggy radio tray... the RC8T feels like a brick, hard to drive and very unresponsive IMHO... D8T was nice also for a heavy truggy... mugen is a nice truggy too... dont like losi one bit, but thats driving style and/or setup