Not only is this the OFF Road thread... but he stated he wanted something fast, off road, stable, durable, best starter package, and was leaning toward the LOSI RTR buggy. The buggy is a great vehicle but a lil twitchy. I would never push anyone to get a Traxxas vehicle, especially with the package Losi offers. Do the math. With roller $700, Spectrum DX3S Tx/Rx $250, Motor/pipe @ $200, servos $100, AND starter box @ $100, don't forget the Rx battery $30. Thats $1380. When you get it all for $800 it's a pretty good deal. Granted you will want to upgrade it later it's a great deal and is definately a screamer. JMO... not THE definative answer...lol.