Good feedback thanks fellas and nice deals there Arco I need to add that to my favorites I'm still looking for good sites to shop from. Until last night A-main and Tower was all I really knew.
1 more thing not to shoot down anybodys suggestions but has anyone used the relabled CS-170 from Hobbico. I hear its as good as the Hitec and is advertised as Titanium geared.

Anyone used these? If so are they a good alternative?

Oh and t8rtot.... who makes the 1409's and where did you buy yours?