Ok your point is proven thank you thats all I was asking for. I now know more. I own a neu 6500 but tax returns are right around the corner so I guess Ill have to try out your pack and do a comparison review. Im realy hoping that your packs are better because if its smaller its probly lighter.Im always looking for the next best thing for racing my 1/8 buggy and truggy. I already have the hyperion 610 duo charger so i guess next is 6500 packs my next question is when will your new pack be on the web site i was told about a new 8000 or 9000 thats not up on your web site yet. Im not sure the pack size but i know you guys have somthing new out there can you tell us more about it??????