I totally understand your feelings maxair, but here's how I look at it. One guy can go out and buy 4, 5, 6 motors just in an effort to try to find one "good" one. You're talking $100-$150 just to try to find one good one. The Red Dot motors come out of the box ready to rock. There are those out there, like me, who have the knowledge and will use it in spec classes for an advantage. What Doug has done is, if anything, leveled the playing field by making this end-result available to anyone who wants it. Sure, they're more expensive than the out of the box motor, but Doug hand-tunes and dynos each and every motor. His time, knowledge, experience and tuning are worth something. Instead of spending a few hours tuning and tweaking the motor myself I'd rather give Doug the money, save me the time and aggravation of messing with something that may end up being a dog in the long run regardless of what I do to it.