Ok, I know that you guys are passionate about your M18’s and 18R’s, as am I, but this thread has gotten a little out of hand. This thread started out as a guy trying to figure out what car would be better suited for his situation. Has anyone in this thread actually taken the time to truly find out what would be best for him. As far as the guys bashing the M18, maybe his local track, races a lot of M18’s and parts availability in not an issue. As far as the guys bashing the 18R’s maybe he plans on racing outdoor asphalt or only plans on running in the streets. As I stated before, both cars when properly setup are extremely capable cars. It really boils down to personal preference; I just don’t know why you all are taking this thread so personal. But I am now going to put this debate to rest. Last year at the 1/18th Micro Nationals, TQ for Open Micro Touring (M18) was 28 laps at 5.01 turning a fastest lap of 10.233. TQ for the Open 18R class was 28 laps at 5.05 with the fastest lap of 10.548. This was at Nationals people, where it brings out some of the best drivers around, and the lap times and results were very close. Like I said, both cars when setup properly are very capable. Nationals are raced on carpet, so the M18 had a slight advantage, if they were run on smooth asphalt it might be the 18R with the advantage. As far as durability, I have been racing Micro a long time and both cars have their weak points. What I don’t understand is why these two cars keep being compared to each other in the first place. They are truly two different classes. As far as the guy that started this thread, as I had stated before, if you plan on racing, choose what car will give you the best competition. If you are just running the streets, than I would get the 18R, as the M18 is a pure, true to scale racer only. I'm sorry if this upsets anyone as that is not my intention, as I am trying to argue for both sides.