You guys are getting out of control with the bashing.... Last I knew Serpent and evey other company are for profit...they are like every othe company...some one said back on another page that MUGEN copies other companies Ideas...R&D is very expensive...I don't blame them...all of these companies are here to make money...Just when you got your integra GSR with all of the good stuff...Honda releases the RSX with a 200 HP VTEC and a 6 speed tranny...unlucky...thats life, get the new joint or stick with the old and work hard beat the new...