thanks for the feedback..a guy i work with is willing to but them off of me for $20 a peice. i spent $22 on them. he's got a slash with a 10 turn brushed. my brushless and my buddys brushless(the one who fried the batts) seem to cause them to overheat. he didnt have any troubles with them until he swiched to vxl setup. so ill sell the batts and stick the the elite 5000 cells from like onlybatterypacks.com or cheapbatterypacks.com. any other suggestions on where i could find decent 6-8 cell nimh? thanks.