no ones whining about motors-just discussing a point yes- i am aware that smoe motors have adjustable timing. my question is of manufacturing standards. Losirob i realize my last post may have sounded a little harsh-no dis intended. the motor thing is trivial- but to say that if i plug my motor into one dyno and get a set of torque and rpm numbers and then plug the exact same motor into a different dyno and get different numbers,well that IS a problem.