Thanks....I guess I do have a "soft spot" for the Hellfire but it does not blind me anymore than you on the Hyper....I had a Hyper ST pro and whats funny about that is I feel the same way about it as you feel about the Hellfire....and compared to the newer truggies the Hyper pushes like a dump truck..it IMHO suffers from the same fate as the Hellfire..both weigh to much, both have questionable diffs, the suspension geometry is not right..It might work fine for bashing or racing on smooth European style tracks but where I race at it just does not cut it..and to be quite honest at the level I race at the Hellfire does not really cut it either..(their I said it..)..I just guess that some manufactures are given a "pass" on whats acceptable and what's not, every truggy has "their" problems and I guess depending on their fans to how big of a deal it's to be made of..I have a "dislike" of the Hyper for good reasons..Try racing it at a Pro level at a "big" race and you will really really understand it's shortcomings..I mean guys that have made the worlds in 1/8th scale and the best they could do with the Hyper ST was like the E main....I had diff problems and so did a bunch of the Team guys, it was tough going out knowing you did not stand a chance....I did not really crash any either, but the track really did not favor the Hyper at all, so the longer..read..better handling truggies would just walk us on the blown out sections and BIG jumps and as the race went on it just got worse..my buddy races for Hobao so it's not like we did not have any help..they were suffering the same fate as us....it will get better for the Hyper fans when the "new" Hyper ST is out..but the Hyper St. is based on an old design..remember the Hyper7..so in your mind it's a better truggy but in all reality its the same result at the races....but this is still all based upon how well you set up your truggy..but if you think the Hyper is better than the Hellfire your really kidding yourself..