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I'd bet if you look at todays STOCK speeds compared to 8 - 10 years ago...todays STOCK 1/12th speeds would probably look like MOD speeds of 1998[/QUOTE] As usual Joe you speak from years of experience and i really think you are right.I know your series along with the BRL worked with novak to develop the 17.5 for a stock equivalent. And really you are absolutely right, I have been running a 17.5 in 1/12 for a little over a year now and Have made it MUCH faster through gearing and coming to know how to use the torque characteristics of the motor to reach the speeds I was running with a 27T brrushed motor.After playing with a 17.5 for a year I think I could make a 15.5 be way faster than a 27 turn brushed within 1 day of practice/ tuning.