You're paying for a name? I got lucky. I was given my W 2013 over a year ago. It was used and dirty but otherwise solid. It still werks, pun intended, very well. I just passed it on to a fellow racer. With my S 57, I found a guy selling 3 pipes altogether for one very, very good price. One was a S 13, I traded that off though I wish I had kept it.