Originally Posted by
cannon
Granpa .. we run zero on the front and 1.5 or 2 toe in in the rear. Toe out in the front is only needed to make the lousy 60D tyres turn. Not required with Spice as they have heaps of steering.
The twitchyness comes from the short track and the sensitivity around zero. That is why you make it slightly less responsive around neutral
You may be right, but most of us around here run toe out to get the car to track down the straights. It really has very little to do with turn in. This holds true for every tire I've tried and that includes Rides, ABC, HPI, and Tamiya. I do agree with you about the Tamiya tire tho. I only run a tamiya tire when forced to for the TCS events.
I believe most of the twitchiness comes from the inherent slop in the steering linkages and the suspension. Before you say AHA, let me tell you that all the stock connecters have been replaced with balls and ball cups, so there is little slop there. There are a couple of "tricks" to eliminate some of the slop in the suspension, but you will still have some. What the slop does is it allows both front wheels to turn in the same direction and when a steering input is made to correct, both front wheels will turn in the other direction. In the worst case scenario, you can induce PIO, pilot induced oscillation, and spin out. Also running the stock zero degree rear hubs only makes a bad situation worse. By running toe out, you alleviate this problem. I set my toe out by cranking in toe out till the car runs straight and then leave it there.
Really, I'm not trying to argue with you, just sharing some thoughts. I personally feel that zero zero does not work especially in a mini or for that matter in any vehicle for the reasons stated.