this is just my opinion , today rc has a tough time getting new , younger , people involved , kids teens young adults want the instant gradafacation that video games and roll playing games and such give them , i have 3 ftb4s and 3 ftt4s , dsm , brushless , lipo , fancy carry bags , all the trick , and easy to use equiptment you could ever want , and i cant get my 14 or 16 year old boys to race , and there both real good , both have many local wins , and tons of trophys , its just to much work for them for the 15 to 20 minutes of track time during a 4 to 6 hour race day , ive got the day off and am heading to my local track now , planning another come back , ray