thanks mugen, the sleeve comes out fine, put the piston at bdc and the sleeve comes right out, im not sure why the conrod wont come out, im not forcing it in anyway it slids to about 75% off and the piston hits the block so i fear it may be more than just a sleeve. anyway if you could give russell a heads up on whats going on i would appreciate it. i dont expect a main to call back anytime today.