This is all very interesting, and maybe I do need to throw more gear at my car. I will try it tomorrow night, and I will save the printouts for you Bob. But yes, I do setup my car so that it really comes in after about 10 laps. At first my car will be slightly loose then after about 10 laps it gets really good, possibly cause the car is going slightly slower, but regardless at this point in time I am not loosing any corner speed because I am scrubbing too much because of over traction. So end result is car=fast and loose at the beginning, turn my fastest laps, then slows down but does not scrub speed, turn my fastest laps.