It just the initial investment making it hard to swallow. For 160 for the awd without full bearings or ball diffs, while a comparable 1/18th is the same price with bearings. I also have no place to race these other than a friends.

Yes, I know the precision is higher in these, and I thought these are still being quality built first class in Japan? So the cost isn't any lower to produce. But it still makes it hard to swallow when you put them side by side to a basic 1/18th or even a Micro-T. I know these others are made in China for cheaper price points and not as quality materials or electronics, but you don't even include a complete set of bearings!

Thats good to know about the KO, but thats separate. You still unless building up a bare chassis from scratch end up paying for a extra pcb, and most likely illegalized at race tracks (not that there is any around here for MiniZ other than my friends L RCP). Versus if Kyosho offered this themselves, it would open up FM to being accepted. In example, I looked at your rules for the Mini-Z cup. All classes must use the Mini-Z PCB. No where is there mention of allowing KO's FM in at least in Mod.

I don't want to leave a bad taste in this thread. I really think they are cool products and a good class. Its just hard for me to swallow since It wont be my main race focus with my limited budget (1/18th). If there is racing locally, then the price becomes more worth it.

If you want to lecture me, take it to my PM, so I dont take any more room in this thread.

I guess I come from more a racing for racing sakes versus "looks like the real thing". So all that scale detail and cost in those bodies really doesn't sway me. Im more interested in performance and even fantasy looking body dynamics as long as it aerodynamically correct. Give me a good lexan body that I can paint versus a highly detailed molded one any day.