vtl if you go outside and bang your head against the first tree to the left, you'll get more accomplished... these folks have already made up their mind.. heck all they'd have to do is go to a harder spec tire like 36's and that would do it.. but you'd actually have to drive and slow down a bit (and have tires that last longer to boot).. they say that it's too hard for newbies to drive with less traction, but the class took off when tires were harder than anything made today....