again, you prove my point that you are here just to talk crap. you have nothing else to do but counter punch what everybody says about, well just about anything. as far as me running axial, i don't run onroad at this time, but i have ran nitro onroad for 8 years, will i run axial absolutely. u seem to have this negative issue with them because they didn't run the worlds, big freaking deal, they were at a point were they were still learning the nature of the motor, do i think they are good,yes will i run one in offroad, as soon as it goes into production. so my main question COREX is why you feel the need to be negative, thats all i want to know, i can tell you one thing, your attitude is going to get you nowear,espesialy on this forum. you know as well as i do i'm not the only person that Q's your motive or why you reply the way you do. i run what ever motor i think is going to be good for me, it can be max, sirio which i really like,os,axial or whatever, and if you don't run what i am succesful with i am not going to tell you that you motor choice sucks and that it is crap or i didn't win the worlds so it's not good enough for me. i'm not that kind of person. i respect all the motors on the market as well as the people that race them, champions or not.