alright guys thanks. Thats the exact tyoye of info I needed. I am aware of the fact that nothing beats driving experience, but I am looking for how the cay is lacking in the technical department. Believe me I am not an r.c. newb as I have been involved with nitro r.c. since the age of twelve. My friend has been in it for one year shorter than me so that 4 and 3 years. We are still young so we dont have alot of money for top level cars and equipment, we are just trying to find a way to be competitive in all aspects of racing. Once again "thank you all" and I will definately still appreciate any input that anyone has.