I don't think anyone on this site could beat josh cryrul and mike swaugers as they are the most skilled drivers in r/c today and you are right they are the same design and it's all down to personal prefrence but thats not saying that mugen and serpent copied kyosho i just think that all the top of the line manufactures like kyosho mugen and serpent have got close to a perfect design which consist of the same design. the lighter the better cg's and so on will make it a winning car and that's what they have almost perfected.