yes mostly what i was getting at about a shaft car was its torque and how its prone to torque steer that is why its not a popular in running mod. not saying it cant by any means. i love shaft cars, that is all i have ever owned. a driver like the Assoc. guys have always driven a shatf car so they know how to compensate. also they are Pros so they have more skill and better throttle control then a driver like myself, and because i am not as skilled i struggle a bit more from the torque of a shaft car in fast classes.