man that's about the most diplomatic post I've read in a car war thread ntc3! I agree 100% with everything you said. NTC3 needs its bugs worked out but it is still a very good car. the quality isn't there yet, but It will be in due time when all you die-hards figure it out. Many people jumped off the bandwagon (including me) as fast as they jumped on. As far as it revolutionizing 200mm - errr...uh.....