Good tips thanks. I've raced M05/M07 in and outdoors for years with great success. I got my M08 within a couple of tenths of my M07 indoors but the one time I tried it outdoors on low grip bumpy tarmac it was horrific I do have loads of weight up front to get the steering and was running a shorty lipo. As a new challenge I think I might use it for outdoor this year and see how well I can get it going.