thanks for the reply. i'm currently in the market for new 1/10 and 1/8 cars. i'm a long time serpent guy and want to try something new. right now i'm thinking mugen or shepherd. im trying to wait for the new mugen 1/10 to check it out but who knows when that will be released. i can get the mugen mrx6r right now but not sure if a newer version is coming along with the new 1/10. i can also get a shepherd 1/10 right now but the 1/8 is sold out and who knows when that will be back in stock. sigh, decisions, decisions.